Calculating Flux with Inverse Square Law for Radioactive Sources

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The discussion revolves around calculating the flux of radiation from a flat radioactive source (Cobalt-57) using the inverse square law. Participants explore the implications of source geometry, branching ratios, and conversion factors related to radioactive decay, specifically in the context of Mössbauer spectroscopy. The conversation includes technical details about decay processes and the calculation of count rates.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to calculate the flux at a detector 300 mm from a flat radioactive source, questioning how to apply the inverse square law in this context.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to specify the type of flux being calculated and discusses the conversion from Curie to Becquerel, noting that 1 Ci equals 3.7 x 1010 decays per second into 4 pi steradians.
  • There is a discussion about the branching ratios of Cobalt-57 decay, with one participant noting that the 14.4 keV gamma emission corresponds to about 9.2% of total decays.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of the source's geometry, with one participant suggesting that the small radius of the source relative to the distance to the detector allows for a good approximation using the inverse square law.
  • Participants debate whether to divide the source strength by 9 or 9.2 when calculating the flux related to the 14.4 keV emissions.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the nature of the decay process of Cobalt-57, with one participant asserting it is 100% electron capture (EC) rather than beta decay.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct conversion factors and the treatment of the source's geometry. There is no consensus on whether to divide the source strength by 9 or 9.2, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the source's geometry on the calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the calculations depend on the assumptions made about the source geometry and the specific emissions being counted. There are unresolved questions about the precision required for the calculations and the implications of using different branching ratios.

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hello all,
i wanted to calculate the illumination at counter using inverse square law..(not a home work problem)
In my case i have a flat radioactive source (not point source) with a surface area of [tex]\pi(2.5)^2[/tex]mm[tex]^2[/tex]. Source ([tex]^{57}[/tex]Co) strength is [tex]1.85\times 10^9[/tex]Bq. Half-life=272 days. Now what will be the flux arriving at the detector placed 300 mm far from the source?
Second question: To convert Ci to Bq, we just multiply by [tex]3.7\times10^{10}[/tex]. Is there any other conversion to convert Ci to some 'X' by dividing by 9 ??
If some one knows some links/url/notes for calculating the count rate please reply me..
I don't how to apply the inverse [tex]^2[/tex] law!
Thanks for your reply.
 
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You need to specify what flux you want.

1 Ci (Curie) is 3.7 x 1010 decays per second into 4 pi sterads.You need to multiply this value by the number and branching ratio of all the photons (and charged particles) to get count rate.

Bob S

[Added] Here is what the following URL says about Co-57 branching ratios:
Appendix I. The Cobalt-57 radioactive decay.

Cobalt-57 decays to iron-57 by beta decay, with a half-life of about 270 days. The energy-level scheme for iron-57 is shown in Figure AI-1 below. The decay almost always (99.8% of the time) goes to the JP = 5/2- excited state of the iron-57 nucleus. And most of the time this state decays in two steps, giving gamma rays of 122 keV and 14 keV. The 14-keV gamma ray is the line used to observe Mossbauer absorption. In 11% of decays the state goes directly to the ground state, giving a 136 keV gamma ray.

In addition to these three gamma rays, the iron-57 atom will emit abundant K*a and Kb atomic X-rays, at about 6 keV. Thus the dominant features of the spectrum from a sodium-iodide detector should be clear peaks at 6, 14 and 122 keV, with a weak line at 136 keV.

See http://www.physics.sfsu.edu/~bland/courses/490/labs/Mossbauer/mossbauer.html

It is an EC decay
the gamma branching ratios are about
14.4 KeV 89%
122 kev 89%
136 kev 11%

Bob S
 
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Hi Bob,
thanks for you reply. From you reply i got one important message that accounts for '9'.
Okay, i actually work with Mössbauer spectroscopy (only the 14.4 keV level, which is of 9.2% of the total decay of 57Co). So for making calculation for the flux that arrive at detector one need to divide source strength by that 9.2. Am i correct?.
What is your opinion??

Ps:The values you gave is actually the sum of conversion electron and gamma decay probability. Also i don't know why in that website they wrote that 57Co decay process is beta decay...it is 100% EC.
thanks.
 
Here is the best information I can find on the Cobalt-57 branching ratios (see thumbnail). The 14.4 KeV gamma is about 9.15%. This state seems to have a high probability of decaying by auger(?) electrons plus K x-rays.
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The 2.5 mm radius of your source is very small compared to the 300 mm distance from source to detector, so I think you'd get an excellent approximation without worrying about the complications from the non-pointlike source geometry. What kind of precision do you need? At the level of precision where you were worrying about the non-pointlike source, you'd probably also need to worry about the finite size and detailed geometry of the detector.
 
Hi, Yes what you said is correct..
But the source strength is divided by 9 or 9.2? Instead of multiplying (as bob said: it should be multiplied).
PS: detector counts only the events of 14.4 keV, which is roughly 9 or 9.2 per 100 disintegration. Source strength is 1.85X10^9 disintegration per second.
thanks
 
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Rajini said:
Second question: To convert Ci to Bq, we just multiply by [tex]3.7\times10^{10}[/tex]. Is there any other conversion to convert Ci to some 'X' by dividing by 9 ??.
I think the conversion factor is 3.7 x 1010 as you show. Both Ci and Bq relate to disintegrations per second into 4 pi sterads. So neither is disintegrations per sterad. Secondly, it is all disintegrations, and not just gammas or betas.
Bob S
 

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