Calculating Force on Particle in Spring Setup

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The problem involves a particle attached between two identical springs on a horizontal frictionless table. The springs are initially unstressed, and the task is to analyze the force exerted on the particle when it is pulled a distance x perpendicular to the initial configuration of the springs.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the stretched length of the springs and the force exerted on the particle. There is exploration of the need for a factor involving x/sqrt(x^2 + L^2) and its interpretation as a component of the force. Questions arise regarding the context that indicates when to apply this factor.

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Some participants have provided insights into the vector nature of the force and the components involved. There is an ongoing exploration of the mathematical relationships and interpretations, but no consensus has been reached on the necessity of the additional term.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of vector components and the implications of the spring forces in different directions. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the application of trigonometric relationships in this context.

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Homework Statement


A particle is attached between two identical springs on a
horizontal frictionless table. Both springs have spring
constant k and are initially unstressed. (a) If the particle
is pulled a distance x along a direction perpendicular to
the initial configuration of the springs, as in Figure
P7.66, show that the force exerted on the particle by the
springs is:
F = -2kx(1 - x/(sqrt[x^2 + L^2])

I've attached a printed screen that includes Figure P7.66.

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The Attempt at a Solution


So I know new stretched length is sqrt(x^2 + L^2), forces in y direction cancell, x is multiplied by 2.
New stretched length is L' = sqrt(x^2 + L^2) - L.
F = -kx = -2k[sqrt(x^2 + L^2) - L].
Now here's where I get stuck. It seems like to get the right answer, I need to multiply this by a factor of x/sqrt(x^2 + L^2)...why?
Thanks,
Ari
 

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Until now, you have done a good job.

Now, look at the solution. The result is a vector force. It's a component of a red force in my photo, i.e. that is a horizontal component of a spring force.
 

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Alright, I understand that it's only a horizontal component that survives, so is this x/sqrt(x^2 + L^2) like a unit vector thing (vector/length)? If so, what context of the question tells you "oh, I should replace this unit vector with vector/length, instead of keeping it as is..". If this is not a unit vector thing still not sure where this extra term is coming from.
 
F = -kx = -k[[itex]\sqrt{x^{2}+L^{2}}[/itex] - L]--->Force of one spring

[itex]\sqrt{x^{2}+L^{2}}[/itex]-->stretched length of a spring

[itex]\frac{x}{\sqrt{x^{2}+L^{2}}}[/itex]--->cosine between x and stretched length

-k[[itex]\sqrt{x^{2}+L^{2}}[/itex] - L] * [itex]\frac{x}{\sqrt{x^{2}+L^{2}}}[/itex] i.e.

-kx[[itex]\sqrt{x^{2}+L^{2}}[/itex] - L] * [itex]\frac{1}{\sqrt{x^{2}+L^{2}}}[/itex] --->force of one spring
 
Ahh, of course. I figured just slapping an i hat on was sufficient. I should have realized it was still involving both x and y until a cosine is taken. Thanks a lot method_man.
 

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