Calculating frequencies and velocity

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The discussion revolves around calculating frequencies and velocity in the context of the Doppler effect, specifically involving an approaching and receding object. The original poster presents two frequencies (470Hz and 440Hz) and seeks to determine the frequency of sound at the object and the velocity of the object using the provided formula.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss using the Doppler effect equations to derive the emitted frequency and the velocity of the source. There are mentions of solving linear equations based on the two frequency cases presented. Some participants question the assumption that the object's speed is constant in both scenarios.

Discussion Status

Participants have engaged in exploring different methods to calculate the emitted frequency and the object's speed. Some have proposed using averages for the frequency calculations, while others are considering the implications of the assumptions made about the object's speed. Guidance has been offered regarding the use of equations and the relationship between the frequencies.

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There is an assumption that the speed of the object remains constant when approaching and receding. The original poster is also navigating the constraints of homework rules regarding the use of formulas and calculations.

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Hi guys

Need some help answering questions about frequencies and calculating velocity.
I'm given two frequencies: 470Hz for an approaching object, 440Hz for when the object is moving away. Velocity of the speed of sound is 343m/s. Work out the frequency of the sound at the object. The receiver is stationary. What formula do I use to work this out?

And once that's been calculated, can velocity be calculated using this formula? fr = fs(v/(v – vs)) where fr is frequency heard by the receiver, fs is frequency from the sender, v is velocity of sound through air, and vs is velocity of the object.
Any help is appreciated.
 
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I think this belongs in the homework and coursework part of the forum, but anyway..

The first equation here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doppler_effect

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plug in you data for the two cases (coming and going), you'll have a pair of linear equations, solve them for the two unknowns (Velocity of source and emitted frequency).


There is a much faster, intuitive way of getting emitted frequency ( and then Vs) which will hopefully become obvious when you see it's value after calculating it the longer way...
 
I've got an answer for my first question. Is it supposed to be 455Hz?
 
catfish, I think we also need to know if the speed of the object when it's moving away is equal or not to the speed when the object is approaching.
 
I think it's assumed that it is but I apparently also have to work out the speed of the object using the information and the formula provided.
 
catfish said:
I've got an answer for my first question. Is it supposed to be 455Hz?
Yes, it's just the average of the coming and going frequency: (470+440)/2

Now just plug some numbers in and solve for Vs
 
Sweet, thanks for the help.
 

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