Calculating Frequency of Train Whistle for Approaching Passenger

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The problem involves calculating the frequency of a train whistle as perceived by a passenger on another train, considering their relative speeds and the Doppler effect. The scenario includes a train moving at 30.0 m/s and a passenger train moving at 18.0 m/s in the opposite direction.

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  • Participants discuss the application of the Doppler effect formula and question the correctness of the initial calculation. There is a focus on the relative motion of the source and observer, with some participants suggesting that the observed frequency should be higher than calculated.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the initial approach and highlighting the need for careful consideration of relative motion. There is an acknowledgment of potential errors in the original calculation, but no consensus has been reached on the correct method or outcome.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of the Doppler effect, including the need to account for both the source and observer's motion relative to the medium (air). There is a mention of a sign error in the calculations presented.

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A train is traveling at 30.0 m/s relative to the ground in still air. The frequency of the note emitted by the train whistle is 262 Hz.
a. What frequency (fapproach) is heard by a passenger on a train moving at a speed of 18.0 m/s relative to the ground in a direction opposite to the first train and approaching it?



a. fapproach = (v-vL)/(v+vs) * fs



f= [(345m/s-18m/s)/(345m/s+30m/s)]*(262 Hz)
= 228.46 Hz

Wrong
 
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Well, yeah! The frequency of the whistle of a train approaching you is higher, not lower. You have a sign error.
 
merlos said:
A train is traveling at 30.0 m/s relative to the ground in still air. The frequency of the note emitted by the train whistle is 262 Hz.
a. What frequency (fapproach) is heard by a passenger on a train moving at a speed of 18.0 m/s relative to the ground in a direction opposite to the first train and approaching it?
a. fapproach = (v-vL)/(v+vs) * fs
f= [(345m/s-18m/s)/(345m/s+30m/s)]*(262 Hz)
= 228.46 Hz

Wrong


Careful. There are two sets of relative motion here. The source relative to the air and the observer relative to the air. You need to do a doppler calculation for each. As Halls pointed out, the observed frequency should be higher.

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