Calculating Gas Expansion Ratio for Fireball Formation

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The discussion focuses on calculating the gas expansion ratio for fireball formation, specifically in a controlled experiment using a gas confinement chamber. Participants seek to understand how to determine the volume occupied by ignited gases compared to their initial volume. Key factors include the type of gas, its density, and the equations governing gas expansion upon ignition. The experiment highlights the challenges posed by the elastic tension of the confinement chamber, which affects the accuracy of volume change measurements.

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  • Understanding of gas laws and thermodynamics
  • Familiarity with the ideal gas equation
  • Knowledge of experimental design and controlled experiments
  • Basic principles of combustion and fire dynamics
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  • Research the ideal gas law and its application in calculating gas expansion
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This discussion is beneficial for chemists, physicists, and engineers involved in combustion research, fire safety analysis, and experimental design related to gas behavior during ignition.

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Hi All,

How to work out the expansion ratio of a gas fireball.

Eg:
Just say we have a ball of gas-- no container, 1 liter in volume suspended in mid air & we ignite it, how far would the flame front extend to form the fireball, what volume would it occupy once ignited?.

An example of the equations would be helpful, i haven't specified what gas, density etc etc as i am not sure exactly what is needed to calculate this.

Thanks
 
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Just to elaborate a little further on the above questions as it may have been taken for an out of the blue query--not so & any help would be greatly appreciated.

We have setup an experiment on a small controlled scale to find the volume occupied by the ignition of various gasses compared to the starting volume of the gas.

In our controlled experiment we have been using a gas confinement chamber with high Elasticity so once ignition occurs the confinement chamber expands to X area & volume.
This works very well except for the tension of the elastic chamber itself, the tension increases with increasing diameter & confines the true volume change of the gas fireball in normal atmospheric conditions.

I need to be able to calculate the volume change of ignited gasses compared to our results & hence the question.


Thank You
 

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