Calculating Hypervolume/Hypersurface of Unit Ball in n Dimensions

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the hypervolume and hypersurface of the unit ball in n dimensions. Participants explore various approaches, including the use of spherical coordinates and integrals, while expressing uncertainty about the calculations involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests switching to n-D spherical coordinates to derive the hypervolume/hypersurface but expresses uncertainty about the complexity of the calculations involved.
  • Another participant describes an argument from statistical mechanics involving two methods of computing an integral, linking the results to the area of the unit ball in n dimensions (S_n) and its relationship to the volume (V_n).
  • Concerns are raised about constructing spherical coordinates in n dimensions and demonstrating the Jacobian, with one participant noting that analyzing the volume element seems complicated.
  • There is a mention of the scaling of the measure of a shell of constant radius and the challenge of rearranging the integral without altering its value.
  • A participant questions how to confirm that the area S_n is defined as stated, acknowledging that it is indeed part of its definition.

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Participants express uncertainty and raise questions about the derivation process, indicating that there is no consensus on the best approach or the details of the calculations involved.

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Participants note the complexity of constructing spherical coordinates and the need to verify the Jacobian, which may depend on specific definitions and assumptions that are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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How do you derive the hypervolume/hypersurface of the unit ball in n dimensions? I thought it'd be trivial but oh well.
I'm guessing switch to n-D spherical coordinates?
Is there an argument which doesn't involve explicitly calculating too many things? :x
 
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Howdy, well, this argument I saw in a stat mech text: Consider 2 different ways of computing the integral (<n> arguments)

\int_{- \infty}^{+ \infty} e^{- x^2 - y^2 - z^2 - ...} dx{}dy{}dz{}...

First it's a product of "n" integrals of Poisson/Gauss. The result of

\int_{- \infty}^{+ \infty} e^{- x^2 } dx we know and just raise it to the power "n".

Now use the (hyper) spherical coordinates for the first integral. The result should be

\int_{0}^{+ \infty} e^{-r^2} {} \ r^{n-1} {} \ dr \times S_{n}

S_{n} is the area of the unit ball in "n" dimensions. The first integral you can compute and then you can get S_{n}. But S_{n} it's easily linked to the V_{n} and thus you can find V_{n}.
 
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Yeah, but um.
I "know" it's going to work out all nice, but how do you construct spherical coordinates in n dimensions, and show that the Jacobian is what it is?

I guess dV=dr.dS is reasonable. Analysis of it seems a bit more annoying though :x
 
Jerbearrrrrr said:
Yeah, but um.
I "know" it's going to work out all nice, but how do you construct spherical coordinates in n dimensions, and show that the Jacobian is what it is?
Why bother with all that mess when you already know how the measure of a shell of constant radius scales with r?



The way I've heard it, the only tricky part is showing that the integral really can be rearranged like that without changing the value.
 
Oops. I was kind of thinking "How do we know that's S_n"?
But that's the definition of S_n.
 

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