Calculating Length of a Parameterized Plane Curve using HMMT Calculus Problem

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The discussion revolves around calculating the length of a parameterized plane curve defined by integrals involving trigonometric functions. Participants explore the application of the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus (FTC) in finding derivatives of the parameterized functions and express uncertainty about the implications of using infinity as a limit of integration.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a parameterized curve and outlines the method for finding its length, emphasizing the need to compute derivatives using the FTC.
  • Another participant confirms that the FTC can be applied with an arbitrary lower limit, including infinity.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the conditions under which the FTC can be applied, particularly regarding the limits of integration.
  • There is a discussion about the expression x^a = e^(a ln(x)), with participants confirming its validity but differing on its commonality.
  • One participant notes that both limits of integration can be variable and still allow for the application of the FTC, while another acknowledges that this scenario may require more effort.
  • A participant shares their experience with a specific problem from HMMT, expressing confusion about a recursive function and the challenges faced in finding a solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the application of the FTC with variable limits, but there is uncertainty regarding the implications of using infinity as a limit. The discussion about the exponential expression does not reach a consensus on its commonality. The later problem presented remains unresolved, with differing approaches and challenges noted.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the differentiability of functions defined by integrals with infinite limits and the implications of variable limits in the context of the FTC. The recursive function problem introduces additional complexity that remains unresolved.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students studying calculus, particularly those interested in the application of the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus, parameterized curves, and recursive functions.

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A plane curve is parameterized by x(t) = \int^{\infty}_{t} \frac{cos u}{u} du and y(t) = \int^{\infty}_{t} \frac{sin u}{u} for 1 \leq t \leq 2. What is the length of the curve?

I know the formula for the length of the curve so I know you need to find dy/dt and dx/dt and integrate the square root of the sum of their squares and integrate that over the interval [1,2].

But my question is finding each derivative. I understand that you could apply the fundamental theorem of calc that in essences states the derivative of the integral is the original function. So you just flip the limits of integration, put a negative out front, and simply write dx/dt = -cos u / u. But in the actual statement of this FTC, the lower limit of integration is a constant (commonly denoted a or c), so I'm second guessing myself. Should it matter that the lower limit is infinity? I guess I was thrown a bit by the infinity and our AP class just covered the FTC before I attempted this problem, it seems like the infinity wouldn't affect the differentiability of an already integrated function.
 
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Ah thank you, that makes a lot of sense. So as long as one limit of integration is a variable and the other is a quantity other than a variable, then we can directly apply this FTC if we want the derivative?

Also is the equation x^a = e^(a ln(x)) pretty common?
 
I don't know what you mean by "pretty common" but that equation is certainly true and shows that an exponential with any base can be written in terms of "the" exponential function ex.
 
By the way, both limits of integration can be variable and you can still do the FTC.
 
HallsofIvy said:
I don't know what you mean by "pretty common" but that equation is certainly true and shows that an exponential with any base can be written in terms of "the" exponential function ex.

I see, rewriting in terms of e certainly is useful for evaluating limits such as x^x.

Xevarion said:
By the way, both limits of integration can be variable and you can still do the FTC.

Yes, I think I meant to say that if both are variable, it's just a bit more work.

OK, I fully understand how to do problems 1-5 of HMMT 2005 and they all seem very straightforward with just a basic understanding of calculus. Knowing that I'm probably getting ahead of my problem-solving abilities and/or my calculus knowledge, I attempted #10:

10. Let f: R -> R be a smooth function such that f '(x) = f(1-x) for all x and f(0) = 1. Find f(1).

Seeing the potential for recursion and no other approach, I differentiated both sides to get f''(x) = -f'(1-x) = -f(x). Here I tried plugging in values, ended up with zero, and realized I was using circular reasoning... So now I'm stuck. I took a peek at the solution and it involved lots of trig. Any suggestions on how I should proceed or what I should consider?
 

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