Calculating Length of Curve: 0 ≤ x ≤ a | x2/a2 + y2/b2 = 1

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The discussion centers on calculating the length of a curve defined by the equation x²/a² + y²/b² = 1 for the range 0 ≤ x ≤ a, which describes an ellipse. The user attempts to apply the integral formula for arc length but becomes confused when trying to evaluate the integral with the derived expression for dy/dx. There is a realization that the length of the curve cannot be a constant value like π/2, as it contradicts the nature of the ellipse where length varies with parameters a and b. Participants suggest that instead of seeking a general expression, it may be more practical to leave the result in integral form. The conversation emphasizes the complexity of finding an exact length for elliptical curves.
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Hi, I'm stumped! :confused:

I've been asked to calculate the length of a curve with the equation...

\frac{x^2}{a^2}+\frac{y^2}{b^2}=1

for the range 0 \leq x \leq a


I've been trying to apply the equation...

\int\sqrt{1+\left(\frac{dy}{dx}\right)^2}\times dx

I think...

y=b\times\sqrt{1-\frac{x^2}{a^2}}

\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{-b\times x}{a^2\times\sqrt{1-\frac{x^2}{a^2}}}

\left(\frac{dy}{dx}\right)^2=\frac{b^2\times x^2}{a^2\times(a^2-x^2)}

Length=\int\sqrt{1+\frac{b^2\times x^2}{a^2\times(a^2-x^2)}}\times dx

and then if that is right i get stuck and don't know how to do that integral with the limits above.

I tried to say that since...

\frac{1}{a^2} and \frac{1}{b^2} are constants i can ignore them and follow the method here:

http://www.maths.abdn.ac.uk/~igc/tch/ma1002/int/node21.html (example 2.8 the last one on the page)

but instead of x^2 and y^2 i'd call my new variables c^2 and D^2 and then i thought if i did that i'd have to change the range and since \frac{x^2}{a^2}=c^2 then the new range would be 0 \leq \sqrt{c^2 \times a^2}\leq a which i thought

might be the same as 0 \leq c \leq 1 which i think gives an answer of \frac{\pi}{2}.

But i think I'm probably wrong any help would be appreciated thanks :smile:
 
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As a quick check to why your answer is wrong:

The curve you're looking at is an ellipse. Surely you can agree that if a and b increase, the length will increase. So \frac{\pi}{2} doesn't really make much sense
 
sanitykey:
Just forget about about trying to find the general expression for the length of the circumference of an ellipse.

It can be done, but you'll only end up with a rather pointless series solution.
 
Thanks for your replies, to Office_Shredder ~ yeah i was thinking \frac{\pi}{2} didn't really make sense in fact errm oh yeah how can the length be a constant if I'm finding a general expression :redface: to arildno ~ would you suggest i should just leave my expression as that integral then if that is right?
 
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