Calculating Limits and Harmonic Series: A Straightforward Approach

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating a limit involving a summation and its relation to the harmonic series and natural logarithm. Participants explore the mathematical formulation and implications of the limit as well as its connection to discrete and continuous representations.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to begin calculating the limit and suggests that the answer might be ln(x+1).
  • A subsequent post provides a detailed mathematical derivation leading to the conclusion that the limit evaluates to ln(1+x).
  • Another participant notes the relationship between the limit and the harmonic series, suggesting that replacing Δx with 1 yields the harmonic series up to the x-th term.
  • A later reply clarifies that the original limit involves replacing Δx with x/n, which approaches 0 as n approaches infinity, rather than simply replacing it with 1.
  • One participant emphasizes the distinction between discrete and continuous representations in the context of the harmonic series and the natural logarithm.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit some agreement on the evaluation of the limit as ln(1+x), but there is disagreement regarding the implications of replacing Δx with 1 and the interpretation of the relationship between the harmonic series and the limit.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions made in the limit evaluation and the implications of different values for Δx. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of the relationship between discrete and continuous summations.

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Readers interested in mathematical analysis, particularly those exploring limits, series, and the connections between discrete and continuous mathematics, may find this discussion relevant.

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I don't know where to begin to calculate this limit, but I think I know what the answer is. Could someone please do it with straightforward methods? I suspect the answer is ln(x+1).
Also, I don't know how to write it down in proper notation, so I ask that someone do that too.

limdx-->0 SUMk=1 to x/dx[dx/(1+(k-1)dx)]
 
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\lim_{\Delta x\to0}\sum_{k=1}^{[\frac{x}{\Delta x}]}\frac{\Delta x}{1+(k-1)\Delta x}\\<br /> =\lim_{n\to\infty}\sum_{k=1}^n\frac{x/n}{1+(k-1)x/n}\\<br /> =\lim_{n\to\infty}\frac1n\sum_{k=1}^n\frac{x}{1+x(k-1)/n}\\<br /> =\int_0^1\frac{x}{1+xu}\ du<br /> =\log(1+x)
 
I can't believe some pig answered my request! Ugh! No seriously, thanks. (Hey, you asked for it.)

The thing that interests me about this formula is that if you replace delta x with 1 instead of -->0, you get the harmonic series up to the x-th term. And you can generalize it by having delta x be any number. The natural log is simply the case where delta x -->0, or in other words, this thing is "compounded continuously." It's an expression of the intuited difference between the harmonic series at x and the natural log: Discrete vs. Continuous.
 
No, he did not replace \Delta x with 1, he replaced it with x/n which does go to 0 as n goes to infinity.
 
I know, and the limit evaluates to ln(1+x). I'm saying if we replace delta x in the first expression with 1, we get the harmonic series summed up until k=x.
 

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