Calculating Loads for Static Fan of 6,060kg: Help Needed

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The discussion revolves around calculating the loads on a frame supporting a static fan weighing 6,060 kg. Participants explore the complexities of load distribution, the effects of potential frame deformation, and the challenges posed by the statically indeterminate nature of the problem.

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  • One participant seeks guidance on calculating loads at various points on a frame supporting a static fan.
  • Another participant questions whether the points of interest are supports or attachment points for the fan.
  • It is noted that the problem is statically indeterminate, with potential variations in load distribution depending on the height of the mounts.
  • Some participants suggest that using vibration mounts could help distribute the load more evenly, allowing for a spring-like treatment of the mounts.
  • One participant mentions the need to calculate the distribution percentage of the load across the points based on the loads determined.
  • There is acknowledgment that the problem involves multiple unknowns, including load at each point, resting height, and angular rotation of the fan assembly.
  • Specific dimensions and operational parameters of the fan are provided, including resting height and shaft diameter, although it is noted that these may vary with different fan types.
  • A later reply emphasizes the complexity of the problem, suggesting that it involves solving 11 simultaneous equations, which may not be feasible by hand.
  • One participant advises treating the load as a point load for a worst-case scenario and recommends consulting a structural engineer for compliance with building codes.

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Participants express varying opinions on the best approach to calculate the loads, with no consensus on a definitive method or solution. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact calculations and assumptions needed.

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Participants highlight the challenges posed by the statically indeterminate nature of the problem and the presence of multiple unknowns, which complicate the calculations. The discussion includes references to specific parameters that may vary based on the fan type.

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The attachment provided shows a frame in which a large fan is to be rested on. The fan is to remain static and has a weight of 6,060 kg and the location of the centre of gravity is shown in the attachment. Each frame member has a cross-section of 200h x 90w. I would like to know HOW to calculate the loads at each point. Could anyone please provide some help on this problem?
 

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Are the points 1-8 the supports of the frame or the points at which the fan is to be attached to the frame?
 
The problem is statically indeterminate. To illustrate the problem, suppose that one of the mounts is sitting up a little higher than the others. Much of the weight would then be carried by that point while others did nothing. Of course in reality, the frame will have some give to help balance the load. The amount of give is not something that's very easy to solve by hand.

Is the fan going to be sitting on some vibration mounts? These would distribute the load and you can treat them like springs which makes the problem solvable.
 
Points 1-8 can be considered as vibration mounts in which the load is distributed.
 
Using the loads at each point I can then calculate the distribution percentage between the points to find out how evenly the load is being distributed.
 
It's still a tough problem to solve by hand since you have a big list of unknowns. You have the load at each point plus the resting height and angular rotation of the fan assembly.
 
The resting height of the fan is 267mm. You could take the shaft diameter to be 100mm (stainless steel) and the speed can be taken as 1300rpm. These values differ depending on the type of fan used though, but for this example these values should be sufficient. Anymore information required, just let me know.
 
There's almost enough information, but I think you may have missed the point that it's a set of 11 simultaneous equations that need to be solved. That isn't something you want to solve by hand. It's usually easier to treat the load as a point load and assume a worst case loading arrangement while leaving yourself a safety margin. But you'll need to consult a structural engineer familiar with the appropriate building codes to do this for you.
 
Okay, thanks for the advice. I will try and contact a structural engineer and see if I have any luck. Thanks again.
 

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