Calculating Molecule Speed Ratios in a Gas Mixture

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the root mean square (rms) speed ratios of molecules in a gas mixture, specifically comparing oxygen and nitrogen, as well as examining the effect of temperature on the rms speed of neon molecules.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between the rms speeds of different gases using their molar masses and question how to manipulate the equations given that the masses are not constants. There is an attempt to derive a ratio of speeds based on the provided equations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on manipulating the equations to find the desired ratios, while others express confusion about the implications of the varying molar masses. The discussion reflects a mix of attempts to clarify the mathematical relationships involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working within the constraints of the problem statement, which includes specific molar masses for the gases involved and the requirement to derive ratios without complete solutions being provided.

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Homework Statement


1) A container is filled with a mixture of nitrogen and oxygen. What is the ratio of the rms speed of oxygen molecules to that of a notrigen molecules? (molar mass of oxygen = 32 g/mol; molar mass of nitrogen = 28 g/mol)

2) By what factor does the rms speed of neon molecules increase if their temperature increased by a factor of 4?

Homework Equations



rms= squared, mean, root.

1/2mv²=3/2KT where K = 1.83 x 10^-23 (Boltzmann's constant)
average velocity vectors of molecules = 0

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm completely clueless as to how to answer this question.
 
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(1/2)*m_O*v_O^2=(1/2)*m_N*v_N^2=(3/2)*k*T. Manipulate this to get a ratio of v_O to v_N. I.e. solve for v_O/v_N. Relatively the same approach for 2).
 
I don't see how you can get rid of the masses and the other variables if they're not constants. The instructions give the molar masses of the gases which are obviously not the same. So, we can't cancel them out when manipulating the equations. May I ask what do you get as an answer?
 
If I divide one expression by the other I get (m_O/m_N)*(v_O/v_N)^2=1. Does that help you to see where to go?
 
Oh I see thank you, I got it. 0.935 :).
 

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