Calculating net force on four masses around a center mass?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the net gravitational force on a central sphere due to four surrounding masses arranged in a square configuration. The problem involves concepts from gravitational physics and vector decomposition.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of gravitational forces using the law of universal gravitation and question the appropriate radius to use. There are attempts to break down forces into unit vector notation and components, with some participants suggesting a more efficient method for summing forces.

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Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly regarding the use of diagonal distances and unit vector decomposition. Some participants have offered guidance on simplifying calculations, while others are seeking clarification on specific components and assumptions.

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There is mention of needing to use SI units and potential confusion regarding the dimensions of the square and the corresponding radius for calculations. Participants are also addressing the implications of common factors in the force equations.

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In the figure, a square of edge length 16.0 cm is formed by four spheres of masses m1 = 4.50 g, m2 = 2.80 g, m3 = 0.800 g, and m4 = 4.50 g. In unit-vector notation, what is the net gravitational force from them on a central sphere with mass m5 = 2.10 g?


F = G (m1m2/r2)


To get the radius as a diagonal I used pythagorean's theorem to calculate √162+162=11.31m.

I've solved that the force on m1 due to the center particle is (6.67E-11)(4.50 x 2.10/11.312) = 4.93E-12.

Solving the same way as above:

force on m2: 3.06E-12

force on m3: 8.76E-13

force on m4: 4.93E-12 (same mass as m1)

Was that the right radius to use in the law of universal gravitational equation?

Now that I have those I don't know how to break them into unit vector notation and find the net force? Help please? Figure attached.
 

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Can you write down a unit vector pointing from the central mass to m1?
Btw, you could have made things easier by recognising that each force has a factor mi, all else being the same. So you could have added up four vectors representing the four masses, then multiplied that by Gm5/(2d2)
 
rockchalk1312 said:
To get the radius as a diagonal I used pythagorean's theorem to calculate √162+162=11.31m.

You'll need to use 8cm for this calculation instead of 16cm.

I've solved that the force on m1 due to the center particle is (6.67E-11)(4.50 x 2.10/11.312) = 4.93E-12.

Be careful with your units here. To get the force in N, you'll need to use SI units for the other quantities.
 
haruspex said:
Can you write down a unit vector pointing from the central mass to m1?
Btw, you could have made things easier by recognising that each force has a factor mi, all else being the same. So you could have added up four vectors representing the four masses, then multiplied that by Gm5/(2d2)

Well what I don't know how to do is break up a diagonally pointing force into i and j components.

And by "has a factor mi", do you mean that the j component of each force is the same? If so why is that? Would you just add up the four vectors' i components and multiply that by the equation you gave above?
 
rockchalk1312 said:
Well what I don't know how to do is break up a diagonally pointing force into i and j components.

You just have to find the x- and y-components of the force. These are the i and j components.

And by "has a factor mi", do you mean that the j component of each force is the same? If so why is that? Would you just add up the four vectors' i components and multiply that by the equation you gave above?

haruspex was just trying to save you some effort by noticing that all 4 force equations have a common term Gm5/r2
 

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