Calculating Normal Force on a Block in Equilibrium

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The discussion revolves around calculating the normal force acting on a block in equilibrium while being pulled across a rough surface. The problem involves analyzing forces in both the x and y directions, particularly focusing on the frictional force and its relationship to the normal force.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the tension components and the frictional force, questioning the assumptions about the direction of the axes and the nature of the forces involved. There is a focus on understanding the equilibrium condition and the role of the normal force.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations of the forces at play. Some participants have suggested that the normal force is equal to Tsin(theta), while others are attempting to clarify the conditions under which this holds true. There is no explicit consensus on the correct answer, but several lines of reasoning are being explored.

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Participants are working under the assumption that the block is in equilibrium and that the forces must balance. There is some confusion regarding the definitions of the axes and the implications for the normal force and frictional force calculations.

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If a block of mass m is pulled in the direction of (x-component) Tcos(theta) and (y-component) Tsin(theta) across a rough surface with a constant velocity. What is the magnitude of the frictional force?

A) μkmg B) μkT cos θ C) μk(T – mg) D) μkT sin θ E) μk(mg – T sin θ)

Since fk is in the opposite direction as the motion and since there is no acceleration F=0=Tcos(theta) - fk
So
fk= Tcos(theta)

So is the answer B?
 
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StephenDoty said:
If a block of mass m is pulled in the direction of (x-component) Tcos(theta) and (y-component) Tsin(theta) across a rough surface with a constant velocity. What is the magnitude of the frictional force?
Is the x-y plane parallel to the surface? (I would assume yes.) Or is the y-direction vertical?
 
Edit: (supposing x is horizontal+ to right and y is vertical+ to top)

So, you know that friccional force is proporcional to Normal force exerced to the block;

you know that if dv/dt=0 => Sum of all Forces=0, so,
begin with making a diagram of the problem, putting every vector force on it with magnitudes that correspond to total F=0...
than you need to understand why isn't B)
 
y is vertical and x is horizontal
If the fnet = 0 then
0=Tcos(theta) - fk
which makes fk= Tcos(theta)

If it is not B then I do not understand how to solve this problem.
 
StephenDoty said:
y is vertical and x is horizontal
If the fnet = 0 then
0=Tcos(theta) - fk
which makes fk= Tcos(theta)
This is true, but it's not one of the choices. But there is another correct choice.
 
I am at a loss
I know that fk usually equals ukmg on a horizontal force. Any help would be appreciated.
 
fk = ukN. But does N always equal mg?
 
If N= Tsin(theta)
then Fk= uTsin(theta)

Answer D
 
StephenDoty said:
If N= Tsin(theta)
Figure out the normal force by considering the vertical forces acting on the block.
 
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ok
the normal force is the y-component and the force in the opposite direction is the force of gravity on the mass
so 0=mg-Tsin(theta)
so mg=Tsin(theta) so N=Tsin(theta)
so fk = uk (Tsin(theta))

what am I missing?
 
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There are three vertical forces acting on the block: The vertical component of T, the weight, and the normal force. They must add to zero. Solve for N.
 

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