Value of friction with constant velocity

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a block of mass "m" being pulled across a rough table at a constant velocity by a string at an angle "θ". Participants are exploring the relationship between the forces acting on the block, particularly focusing on the kinetic friction force.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to derive an equation for the magnitude of the kinetic friction force, questioning the role of different forces acting on the block, including tension and gravitational components.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the vertical forces acting on the block and have suggested alternative expressions for the kinetic friction force. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct interpretation of the forces involved, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of the problem, including the effects of the angle of the applied force and the implications of constant velocity on the forces at play. There is a note that the coefficient of friction is not required for the specific question being addressed.

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Homework Statement


A block of mass "m" is pulled across a rough table by a string at an angle "θ" above the horizontal at a constant velocity. What is an equation for the magnitude of the kinetic friction force, fk?

The answer that I was given was μk(mg-T*cos(θ))

Homework Equations


Fk=Fn*uk
mg*cos(theta)=magnitude of force in x direction[/B]

The Attempt at a Solution



I just thought it would be mg*cos(theta)=uk*Fn

Since there is no acceleration, the frictional force in the positive x direction must equal the force in the negative x direction...so, T*cos(theta), which is the same in this situation as uk*Fn.
Why that weird answer? Anybody?
 
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jcruise322 said:

Homework Statement


A block of mass "m" is pulled across a rough table by a string at an angle "θ" above the horizontal at a constant velocity. What is an equation for the magnitude of the kinetic friction force, fk?

The answer that I was given was μk(mg-T*cos(θ))

Homework Equations


Fk=Fn*uk
mg*cos(theta)=magnitude of force in x direction[/B]

The Attempt at a Solution



I just thought it would be mg*cos(theta)=uk*Fn

Since there is no acceleration, the frictional force in the positive x direction must equal the force in the negative x direction...so, T*cos(theta), which is the same in this situation as uk*Fn.
Why that weird answer? Anybody?
For a block of mass m and acceleration due to gravity g, what is Fn?
 
Oh, I see now...there are three vertical forces acting on the object. I forgot about the vertical y component of the pull. Thanks, SteamKing. And, it should be uk(mg-T*sin(theta)). not T*cos(theta). Appreciate it.
 
jcruise322 said:
Oh, I see now...there are three vertical forces acting on the object. I forgot about the vertical y component of the pull. Thanks, SteamKing. And, it should be uk(mg-T*sin(theta)). not T*cos(theta). Appreciate it.
You are NOT being asked for the coefficient of friction. You're being asked for the magnitude of the kinetic friction force.

μk does not need to be used here.
 

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