Calculating P'(1) for p(x)=f(x^3)

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The problem involves finding the derivative P'(1) for the function defined as p(x) = f(x^3). The discussion centers around the application of differentiation rules, particularly in the context of composite functions.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the differentiation of the composite function and question the notation used for p and P. There is discussion about the correct application of the chain rule and the need for the functional form of f(x). Some participants express uncertainty about the derivative of x^3 and its implications for the solution.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the differentiation process and clarifying the nature of the composite function. There is a recognition of the need for further information about f(x) to proceed effectively.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted ambiguity regarding the notation of p and P, and some participants question whether they represent the same function. Additionally, the lack of a specific form for f(x) is highlighted as a constraint in solving the problem.

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Homework Statement



if p(x)= f(x^3), find P'(1)

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The Attempt at a Solution



can i do the derivative of x^3 is 2x^2, then substitute to get f(2x^2)?, then substitute 1 for x?
 
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Willian93 said:

Homework Statement



if p(x)= f(x^3), find P'(1)

Are both p's supposed to have the same case here (i.e. are they the same symbol representing the same function?) If not, then this question doesn't make much sense.

Willian93 said:
can i do the derivative of x^3 is 2x^2, then substitute to get f(2x^2)?, then substitute 1 for x?

No, not quite. If I understand the problem right, then what you have is a composite function, and you need to use the chain rule, and you need to know what the functional form of f(x) is. Is f(x) given?

One way of looking at it: p(x) = f(g(x)) where g(x) = x3. Hence, a composite function.

Another equivalent way to look at it: f(x3) means, "pass x3 as an argument into the function f." In other words, p(x) is the function you get when you pass u = x3 as an argument into the function f(u), where I have used a different symbol for the argument passed into f in order to be more explicit.

Edit: Those two ways of looking at it are not really different at all, since in the latter case, I just defined a new variable u = g(x) = x3. But I hope that the wording/explanation helps you to understand what is going on.
 


Also, the derivative of x^3 is not 2x^2.
 


Willian93 said:

Homework Statement



if p(x)= f(x^3), find P'(1)

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



can i do the derivative of x^3 is 2x^2, then substitute to get f(2x^2)?, then substitute 1 for x?
No. The chain rule says that the derivative of f(g(x)) is f'(g(x))g'(x). (And, as Cepheid said, the derivative of x^3 is NOT "2x^2".)
 
HallsofIvy said:
(And, as Cepheid said, the derivative of x^3 is NOT "2x^2".)

Actually, Char. Limit said that. It was a good catch...
 

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