Calculating Pendulum Tension with 100ft Radius & 200lb Weight

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The discussion revolves around calculating the tension in a pendulum system with a 100 ft radius and a 200 lb weight. Participants explore the forces involved, including tension and centripetal force, and consider safety factors for a pendulum that may involve a human body.

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  • One participant asks how to calculate the tension in the pendulum line and whether other forces are involved.
  • Another participant suggests using F = ma in the direction of the line, noting that the only forces are the weight and the tension.
  • It is mentioned that tension is a function of the angle and that the component of the weight perpendicular to the path must be calculated.
  • One participant claims that tension will not exceed the weight of the pendulum and will be at maximum when the pendulum is vertical.
  • Another participant counters that centripetal acceleration must be considered, indicating that tension at the bottom of the swing includes both gravitational force and centripetal force.
  • A procedure is proposed involving conservation of energy to find the velocity of the pendulum at the bottom of the swing and then calculating centripetal force to determine tension.
  • Concerns are raised about safety factors when the pendulum involves a human body.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the ability to solve such a problem independently, implying a need for caution in safety-related scenarios.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the calculation of tension, particularly regarding the role of centripetal force and the conditions under which maximum tension occurs. No consensus is reached on the best approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss various assumptions, such as the angle of the pendulum and the conditions at different points in the swing. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and dependencies on definitions of forces involved.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in physics, engineering, or safety considerations related to pendulum systems, particularly in applications involving human safety.

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You have a pendulum with a 100 ft radius and 200 lb weight. The weight is dropped at the same height as the anchor point 100 ft away from anchor. How do I calculate the tension that will exist on the line?

Also, are there any other forces involved here? I need to calculate this to make sure I have a sufficiently strong line so that it does not snap.
 
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hi sawtooth500! :wink:
sawtooth500 said:
How do I calculate the tension that will exist on the line?

Also, are there any other forces involved here?

write out F = ma in the direction of the line (the only forces are the weight and the tension) …

what do you get? :smile:
 
T=F=ma only in the most downward position. Otherwise the tension is a function of the angle. You must calculate the component of the weight of the load perpendicular to its path as a function of the angle.
 
So basically the tension in the line is never going to exceed the weight of the pendulum, and you'd be at max tension when the pendulum is straight vertical down, correct?
 
no, you're forgetting the centripetal acceleration :redface:

write out F = ma in the direction of the line (the only forces are the weight and the tension) …

what do you get? :smile:
 
So you got 200 lbs of mass, 200 * 32.2 = 6440 lbs of force?
 
Max tension will be at the bottom of the swing and will consist of both mg (pulling against gravity) and the centripetal force (keeping pendulum swinging in circular path).
Here is the procedure:
Use conservation of energy to find velocity of pendulum at bottom of the swing: mgh = (1/2)mv^2.
From velocity, find centripetal force at bottom of swing = (mv^2)/r
So tension = mg + (mv^2)/r

By the way if this 200 pound pendulum is a human body you better in include a safety factor.
 
Yeah basically it is a going to be a human body - rope is rather to 5000 lbs of tension, I thought it should be enough but I just wanted to be sure...
 
if you can't figure a problem like this out on your own, you probably shouldn't be doing anything that involves the safety of human beings.
 

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