Calculating Potential at Apex of Charged Cone

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The discussion revolves around calculating the electric potential at the apex of a uniformly charged right circular cone, characterized by its height, radius, lateral height, and surface charge density.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the integration of charge distribution to find the potential, questioning suitable coordinate systems and area elements for calculation.

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Some participants have provided hints and suggestions for breaking down the problem, such as considering horizontal strips of the cone and relating area elements to the geometry of the cone. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in the integration process.

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One participant expresses urgency in completing the problem, indicating a potential constraint related to time. There are reminders about the forum's policy on effort and participation in the learning process.

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How to calculate the potential at the apex of uniformly charged right circular cone (charge only at the curved surface), having height "h" and radius "R" and lateral height "l" and change density sigma?
 
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The potential at a point \vec{r}_0 can be obtained by integrating \frac{dQ}{|\vec{r} - \vec{r}_0|} over the charge distribution. If you have a surface charge distribution, then dQ = \sigma dA where A is the area, and \sigma is the charge density.

So the challenge is to find a convenient coordinate system for computing |\vec{r} - \vec{r}_0| and dA and then just do the integral. Do you have any ideas about a convenient coordinate system for a cylinder?
 
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Thanks for the hint... I tried it but its really getting quite difficult for me to choose a suitable area element for which i can calculate the potential and then integrating it over the whole area... So can you please show me the steps to proceed... I need to get the question done today itself
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Here's another hint: Suppose you split up the cone into narrow horizontal strips. Let r be the distance of the strip from the apex. Let dr be the width of the strip, and let L be its length (the distance all the way around the strip). Then the area of the strip will be dA = dr \cdot L. So can you figure out L in terms of r?
 
Are you asking me to take the element as small strips wrapped around the cone as a circle?
 
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Are you asking me to take the element as small strips wrapped around the cone as a circle?

I'm getting closer and closer to just giving you the answer. But here's another clue:

If you have a cone that measures s down the side, and the side makes an angle \theta relative to the vertical, then the area of the cone's surface is:

A = \pi s^2 sin(\theta)

So you can take the derivative with respect to s to get dA:

dA = 2 \pi s sin(\theta) ds

That's the same as a little strip with width ds and length 2 \pi s sin(\theta)

So dQ = \sigma\ dA = \sigma\ 2 \pi s sin(\theta) ds

The distance from the strip to the apex is just s. So

\frac{dQ}{|\vec{r} - \vec{r}_0|} = \frac{dQ}{s}

So do the integral of \frac{dQ}{s} where s goes from 0 to l. Can you figure out what sin(\theta) must be?
 
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@Quotes -- you need to start showing some effort, or this thread will be closed and deleted. We do not do students' work for them here at the PF.
 
berkeman said:
@Quotes -- you need to start showing some effort, or this thread will be closed and deleted. We do not do students' work for them here at the PF.
Sorry for this.. It was my first day at the forum. But yes for sure i will keep that in mind. Thankyou
 

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