Calculating Power Output of an Automobile Engine

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The discussion revolves around calculating the average power output of a four-stroke automobile engine during the power stroke, focusing on the adiabatic expansion of a gas mixture. Participants explore the implications of various parameters such as gauge pressure, specific heat, and volume changes in the context of ideal gas behavior.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of the integral of PdV for work calculation and question the validity of using specific heat at constant volume (Cv) in this context. There are inquiries about the impact of gauge pressure on calculations and the accuracy of the model answer.

Discussion Status

The conversation has evolved with participants sharing their calculations and questioning the assumptions made in the model answer. Some guidance has been provided regarding the importance of gauge pressure, and one participant has identified an error in their approach, leading to a resolution of their confusion.

Contextual Notes

There are discussions about the assumptions made regarding constant volume and pressure, as well as the specific heat value used in calculations. The original poster's calculations were based on gauge pressure, which was later identified as a critical factor affecting the results.

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Homework Statement


During the power stroke in a four-stroke automobile engine, the piston is forced down as the mixture of combustion products and air undergoes an adiabatic expansion. Assume (1) the engine is running at 3400 cycles/min; (2) the gauge pressure immediately before the expansion is 20.0 atm; (3) the volumes of the mixture immediately before and after the expansion are 50.0 cm3 and 400 cm3, respectively; (4) the time interval for the expansion is one-fourth that of the total cycle; and (5) the mixture behaves like an ideal gas with specific heat ratio 1.40. Find the average power generated during the power stroke

Homework Equations


W = integral of PdV
PV^(1.4) = constant

The Attempt at a Solution


So first I found out that it takes approximately .005s for the power stroke.
I found the constant to be approximately (using pascals and m^3) 1.9289. I then said P = 1.9289/V^1.4.
I put that into the integral so integral from .00005 to .0004 of 1.9289/V^1.4 dV. I get about 143 J. After doing the conversions to kw, I am wrong. I found (i know the answer) that I should be getting 150 J to turn into kW, so I don't understand what is wrong with my integral. The other solution that gives 150 J uses dE = nCv dT instead of PdV, but isnt' it the same thing as PdV? Thanks in advance!
 
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What did the model answer use for Cv considering that neither the volume nor the pressure is constant?

The method sounds OK - to see the problem we'd have to see the details.
i.e. how does the pressure being quoted as gauge pressure affect the calculation?
how does using more exact values affect the calculation (you are not far off the model answer.)
 
The model answer used 5/2 R for Cv. The model for how to get the right answer is on this link: <http://www.cpp.edu/~skboddeker/132/assign/ch21h.htm>. Sorry, but which details are you looking for? All of my work or was it all of the work done in the link above?

PS, in the link, the answer is in the 3rd question

Edit: I just went through the calculation done in the link above, and I realized that although he says he got 150, his equation gives 136 :nb)...
 
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Oh I see ... the model approach is less than ideal since it makes assumptions about information not given.
Compare:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/adiab.html

$$W=P_1V_1^\gamma \frac{V_2^{1-\gamma}-V_1^{1-\gamma}}{1-\gamma}$$

Maybe the model answer is in error?
The "details" would be step-by-step including the reasoning rather than "I did A and got B".
I gave an example in the i.e.
 
Sorry this is way late. In the end I figured out the issue. You were right to suspect looking at gauge pressure. I simply needed to add that extra atm... After that everything works! Thanks
 
No worries and well done.
 

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