Power output of automobile at different engine rpm

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The discussion revolves around the power output of an automobile engine at different RPMs, particularly focusing on the relationship between fuel consumption, engine efficiency, and the conditions under which the engine operates, such as idling versus climbing a hill. Participants explore theoretical implications and practical considerations without reaching a consensus.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant estimates that their car idles at a power output of around 9.4 kilowatts based on fuel consumption and energy content of gasoline.
  • Another participant points out that engine power is not linearly related to RPM and that efficiency varies across different RPM ranges.
  • It is suggested that the load on the engine affects power output, indicating that the same RPM can yield different power outputs depending on whether the vehicle is going uphill or downhill.
  • There is a discussion about the potential for increased fuel consumption when climbing a hill at a constant RPM compared to descending, highlighting the difference in forces exerted by the engine.
  • One participant mentions that while the engine may be at a certain RPM, the torque produced can vary significantly, affecting the overall power output.
  • There is a consideration of engine efficiency, with estimates ranging from 20% to 33%, and the notion that power output at idle could be interpreted as zero depending on the definition used.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between RPM, power output, and fuel consumption. There is no consensus on how these factors interact, particularly regarding the impact of load and efficiency on power output at various RPMs.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that assumptions about linear relationships between RPM and power output may not hold true, and that the discussion is limited by varying definitions of power output and efficiency.

Steve Aplin
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I figure my 2.4 liter Volvo will burn about a liter of gasoline over an hour of idling (source: Natural Resources Canada). Since a liter of gasoline contains roughly 33.8 million joules (~9.4 kilowatt-hours) of energy, I figure that that means my car idles at a power output of around 9.4 kilowatts.

The tachometer indicates rpm of ~700 while idling.

Can I infer from that that when I'm climbing a steep hill at 100 kilometers per hour and the tach is showing rpm of around 3,500 that the engine at that moment is outputting around 47 kilowatts?

It seems logical to me to assume that if the engine speed is 5x on the hill climb then its fuel consumption is 5x that of idling, and that fuel consumption = power output.

Is this a reasonable assumption?

(I know my gasoline engine is at most 20 efficient, and I am not trying to say that moving a 3-ton vehicle at 100 kph up a steep hill requires 47 kW. I am talking only about the gross power output of the fuel.)
 
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Engine power is not especially linearly related to RPM.

All engines will have a range of RPM for which they are most efficient. This has to do with such things as the speed the fuel-air mixture gets into the cylinder, the time the burning fuel has to push on the piston, and the time the exhaust has to get out of the cylinder. The typical design will put this "sweet spot" in the middle of ordinary driving conditions.

Further, the engine RPM is not the only estimate of power. The engine can be exerting different forces at the same speed, depending on the load. So if you were going uphill as in your example, it may be working very hard. If you were going along on level ground with the same RPM, it would probably not be working nearly as hard.
 
DEvens, thanks -- I guess I'm trying to figure out only gross power output from the gasoline... sounds from your reply that there is some feedback relationship between fuel consumption and the force going into the powertrain. Going up the steep hill at 3,500 rpm, would there be more fuel consumption than down the same hill at the same rpm? Pistons are moving up and down at the same rate, but the force they are imparting to the connecting rods etc. is vastly different.
 
DEvens said:
Engine power is not especially linearly related to RPM.
Engine power is not really related to RPM at all. An engine has a wide range of possible amounts of torque that it can generate at any particular rpm. That's why at any particular rpm you might be accelerating, decelerating or staying at the same speed.
Steve Aplin said:
Going up the steep hill at 3,500 rpm, would there be more fuel consumption than down the same hill at the same rpm? Pistons are moving up and down at the same rate, but the force they are imparting to the connecting rods etc. is vastly different.
Sure. You might be using 30L/hr on the way up and nothing at all on the way down, at the same RPM.
Since a liter of gasoline contains roughly 33.8 million joules (~9.4 kilowatt-hours) of energy, I figure that that means my car idles at a power output of around 9.4 kilowatts.
Since a car engine is at best 33% efficient (and probably a lot less at idle), it is probably more like 3 kW output at idle...
...of course, depending on your definition, at idle you could also say the power output is zero.
 

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