Calculating Principal Stress in Combined Loading of a Beam

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating principal stress in a beam subjected to combined loading, which includes axial force, bending moment, and torsion. Participants are exploring the appropriate methods for determining stress components and their interactions, with a focus on using Mohr's circle for analysis.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines their approach to calculating normal stress, shear stress, and bending stress, and expresses confusion about why their method did not yield correct results.
  • Another participant requests to see the specific calculations to identify potential errors.
  • A different participant emphasizes the need to consider the stresses acting along the three axes of the beam, suggesting that torsion produces shear stress in the y-axis.
  • Some participants discuss the role of direct shear in the calculations, with one questioning the necessity of including it if the loading is purely bending.
  • There is a reiteration of the stress equations, with one participant providing their formulation for stress components based on the loading conditions.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential omission of direct shear in the calculations, indicating differing views on its relevance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the inclusion of direct shear in the analysis, with some asserting it is necessary while others believe it may not apply in cases of pure bending. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct approach to calculating principal stress under the specified loading conditions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the importance of accurately identifying the stress components along each axis and the potential impact of sign errors, but no consensus is reached on the correct methodology or assumptions involved.

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Consider a beam under combined loading. Axial force, bending moment and torsion.
I'm interested in determining the principle stress in any stress element on surface of beam.

Well as per rule I've to show my attempt so:
normal stress=axial load/beam crosssection
shear stress=torsion*radius/polar MOI
bending stress=moment * radius/ MoI about NA

normal stress and bending stress have same line of action so undergo vector addition.
Now we have a normal stress and shear stress. We got principal stress and orientation from Mohr's circle.

Sounds good... But it didn't work. Where did i go wrong?
 
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How about posting exactly what you did. There's no way we can tell you where you went wrong without seeing what you did.
 
Sorry sir. But i clearly mentioned my approach to that problem. As far calculations and Mohr's circle is involved, I'm quiet sure, that's not a problem.

I'd highly appreciate your effort if you could list the stresses acting on the stress element under specified loading.
 
You need to think about which stress acts along each of the 3 axes.
Along the beam (call this x), you get a combination of axial stress + bending stress (positive or negative depending on relation to neutral axis)
-shear, as would be obtained from a shear diagram, acts along y axis.
-in the z axis, a normally loaded beam would have zero I believe, but if you have torsion then that is probably the third principal stress

I may have missed something, if so I hope a real structural/materials engineer will chime in.
 
How are we supposed to know if you made a simple sign error?
 
CarlAK your effort is apprecable.
I don't differ from you upto the computation of stress along X axis as you said, but there is no direct shear involved. So torsìon actually produces shear stress in y axis. And being honest i have no idea about stress in Z axis.
Anyways Thanks.

Fred, i am afraid sign isn't the problem.
 
P0zzn said:
Consider a beam under combined loading. Axial force, bending moment and torsion.
I'm interested in determining the principle stress in any stress element on surface of beam.

Well as per rule I've to show my attempt so:
normal stress=axial load/beam crosssection
shear stress=torsion*radius/polar MOI
bending stress=moment * radius/ MoI about NA

normal stress and bending stress have same line of action so undergo vector addition.
Now we have a normal stress and shear stress. We got principal stress and orientation from Mohr's circle.

Sounds good... But it didn't work. Where did i go wrong?

So.. what didnt work? Where did you go wrong?:cool:

This is the way i list them(according to the loadings in OP)

[tex]\sigma[/tex][tex]_{xx}[/tex] = My/I + F/A

[tex]\tau[/tex][tex]_{xy}[/tex] = VQ/I

[tex]\tau[/tex][tex]_{yz}[/tex] = 16T/(pi)d^3
 
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I'm sorry but are you sure of that ank_gl??
I don't think there is direct shear involved. So possibly 2nd eqn isn't needed.
Anyways, thank you.
 
You mentioned combined loading, so i assumed you also included direct shear. If its pure bending, then yes, 2nd equation won't apply.
 

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