Calculating Probability for Array of Balls

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The problem involves calculating the probability of a specific arrangement of balls in an array, specifically focusing on the occurrence of three white balls at the beginning of the array containing 4 white and 6 red balls.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the total number of arrangements of the balls and how to calculate the probability of having three white balls at the start. There is mention of using permutations with repetition and considerations of different arrangements based on the positions of the balls.

Discussion Status

Some participants are exploring the use of permutations versus combinations and questioning the assumptions behind the calculations. There is a focus on determining the total number of permutations and how specific arrangements affect the probability. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being examined, particularly regarding the arrangement of the balls and the implications for calculating probability.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the constraints of the problem, such as the fixed number of balls and their colors, as well as the requirement for specific arrangements in the probability calculation.

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Hi!
Here is my task:
There are 4 white and 6 red balls in array. Find probability that there are three white balls in beginning of array.
How to calculate m?
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Where in the world did you get 70? There are total of 10 balls, 4 white and 6 red. How many different orders are there?

If we require that there be exactly three white balls at the beginning (so the fourth ball must be red), then the last 6 balls are 1 white and 5 red. How many different orders are there?
 
Since there are 4 white and 6 red balls I should use formula for permutations with repetition to calculate all possible orders?
Orders of interest are where first three balls are white and other 7 balls (6 red and 1 white) could be in any order so m would be $$\binom{4}{3} \frac{7!}{6!1!}= 28$$ and $$P(A) = \frac{28}{210}$$?
 
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etf said:
Since there are 4 white and 6 red balls I should use formula for permutations with repetition to calculate all possible orders?
Orders of interest are where first three balls are white and other 7 balls (6 red and 1 white) could be in any order so m would be $$\binom{4}{3} \frac{7!}{6!1!}= 28$$ and $$P(A) = \frac{28}{210}$$?

You need to decide whether you want to use permutations or combinations. I think permutations are a more natural description of the actual, physical situation, and also would probably be what you would prefer to use if you were writing a Monte-Carlo simulation of the experiment for running on a computer. So: number the balls from 1--10; the first 4 are white and the remaining 6 are red. The sample space consists of all the permutations of the numbers (1,2,...,10), and we tacitly assume all are equally likely.

How many permutations are there altogether? How many permutations have numbers from 1--4 in the first three places? So, assuming we don't care what is in the 4th place, what would be the resulting probability? Next, if we assume we also want a non-white in position 4, how many permutations would there be now? What is the corresponding probability?

Another way to do the problem would be via conditional probability arguments. If the events E1, E2, E3 correspond to having a number from 1--4 in positions 1,2 and 3, respectively, then
[tex]P(E_1 \& E_2 \& E_3) = P(E_1) P(E_2 \& E_3 | E_1),\\<br /> P(E_2 \& E_3 | E_1) = P(E_3 | E_1 \& E_2) P(E_2|E_1)[/tex]
What is ##P(E_1)?## What is ##P(E_2 | E_1),## etc.?
 

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