Calculating radiation dose from flux

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The discussion revolves around calculating the radiation dose received from a high rate of proton flux, specifically focusing on protons with energies of 100 MeV. Participants explore the methodology for determining the dose in terms of Grays and Sieverts, and the implications of different parameters in the calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a calculation for radiation dose based on a proton flux of 10^7 cm3s-1 and proposes a resulting effective dose of 0.801 Sv/s.
  • Another participant provides a rough calculation using the Bethe Bloch equation, suggesting a dose of approximately 1.6 rads/s for 100 MeV protons, while noting the importance of the dE/dx value.
  • A participant acknowledges confusion regarding the use of cm3 for flux and suggests that flux should be measured through a two-dimensional plane.
  • A later reply corrects an earlier calculation of βγ, indicating a revised value of 0.47, which alters the dE/dx for 100 MeV protons in carbon to about 6 MeV per gram/cm2 and suggests a dose of about 1 rad/s.
  • Participants express uncertainty about how quality factors for protons are applied in these calculations.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the calculations, with multiple competing views and corrections presented throughout the discussion. There is acknowledgment of errors and uncertainties in the calculations, indicating that the topic remains unresolved.

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Participants note limitations in their calculations, including the need for accurate dE/dx values for tissue and the application of quality factors. There is also a recognition of potential errors in earlier posts regarding the parameters used.

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Hi!
Hopefully I'm not being too stupid, but I'm trying to work out the radiation dose received at a particular point in space being subjected to a high rate of proton flux.

I think.. that I am right in working it out this way so far, for instance if the flux rate of Protons >100Mev is 10^7 cm3 s-1

(100*10^6 ev) * (10^7 cm3 s-1) * (1.602×10^−19 Joules) = 1.602*10^-4 Joules cm3 s-1

Based on 1cm3 of body mass being 1g then:

(1.602*10^-4)*1000g = 0.1602 Joules/Kg (s-1)

= 0.1602 Gy (s-1)

0.1602 * 5 Proton Q.F. = 0.801 Sv (s-1)

So would the calculations be correct in stating that if you were suspended in an area of space with a Proton flux of 10^7 cm3 s-1 with proton energies of 100Mev you would be receiving an effective dose of 0.801 Sv / Second ?

It's probably all garbage, but if anyone can help I would be most grateful :)

Thanks!
 
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Here is a very rough calculation of the radiation dose from 100 MeV protons.

First, the proper unit of radiation dose is rads or Grays (energy deposited). 1 rad = 100 ergs per gram, and 1 rad = 0.01 gray. For 100 MeV protons, the entire dose is due to ionization (protons colliding with atomic electrons). See Equation 27.3 (Bethe Bloch equation) in

http://pdg.ihep.su/2009/reviews/rpp2009-rev-passage-particles-matter.pdf

Figure 27.2 shows dE/dx as a function of βγ. For a 100-MeV proton,

βγ = [(100 + 938)2 - 9382]/9382 = 0.22.

Note the Bragg peak on the left.

So for carbon in Fig.27.2, dE/dx = ~10 MeV per gram/cm2 = 107 eV per gram/cm2

So if we have a proton flux of 107 protons per cm2 per sec,

the radiation dose is

dose = [107protons/(cm2sec)][107eV-cm2/proton-gram][1.6 x 10-12 ergs/eV][1 rad-gram/100 ergs]=

= [107[STRIKE]protons[/STRIKE]/([STRIKE]cm2[/STRIKE]sec)][107[STRIKE]eV[/STRIKE]-[STRIKE]cm2[/SUP[/STRIKE]]/[STRIKE]proton[/STRIKE]-[STRIKE]gram[/STRIKE]][1.6 x 10-12 [STRIKE]ergs[/STRIKE]/[STRIKE]eV[/STRIKE]][1 rad-[STRIKE]gram[/STRIKE]/100 [STRIKE]ergs[/STRIKE]] = 1.6 rads/sec

I don't have the dE/dx for tissue at 100 MeV, but it is close to carbon. I am also not aware of how quality factors are applied to protons in this calculation, because it is usually included in dE/dx. I hope this helps.

Bob S
 
Thank you Bob :) I can see I was way off with what I was trying to do then. I'm not sure where I got cm3 for flux either, I should have spotted that really! I imagine flux is measured through a 2 dimensional plane?
I will have a read of what you posted for me so thank you! But I think I am a little way off being able to calculate what I was trying to do in all honestly.
 
Note error in my previous post for the equation and value of βγ at 100 MeV.

the correct equation and value is βγ = sqrt{ [(100 + 938)2 - 9382]/9382} = 0.47.

This reduces dE/dx of 100 MeV protons in carbon to about 6 MeV per gram/cm2, and the rad dose at 100 MeV to about 1 rad per second..

I attach a thumbnail of proton dE/dx in water (similar to tissue). dE/dx = 7.28 MeV per gram/cm2 at 100 MeV.

Bob S
 

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