Calculating Radiation Propagation with Cs-137

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The discussion centers on calculating radiation propagation using Cesium-137 (Cs-137) as a case study. Participants explore the basic principles of radiation emission, distance effects, and absorption characteristics, while also considering the implications of geometry and shielding in radiation behavior.

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  • One participant presents initial calculations for radiation propagation from Cs-137, questioning the inverse relationship with distance and the relevance of cross-sectional area.
  • Another participant asserts that radiation intensity decreases with the square of the distance from the source, referencing the geometry of concentric spheres.
  • Discussion includes the types of radiation emitted by Cs-137, noting different absorption characteristics for photons and beta particles.
  • Participants discuss whether radiation behaves similarly to sound in terms of directivity and the inverse square law.
  • Questions are raised about the effects of shielding and reflection on radiation intensity, particularly in different environments.
  • A later reply clarifies that most radiation does not reflect off surfaces, with some exceptions for specific types of radiation and materials.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the inverse square law for radiation emitted equally in all directions, but there is ongoing debate regarding the effects of shielding and reflection, as well as the specific behavior of different types of radiation.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the basic principles of radiation propagation, particularly in relation to distance and absorption. There are also unresolved questions about the behavior of radiation in various environments and the implications of different shielding materials.

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I am trying to do a simple calculation on radiation propagation using Cs-137 as an example.

Cs-137 has the following properties:

  • Activity = 3.400e+15 Bq/kg
  • Decay energy = 188.096e-12 J (1.174 MeV)

This results in 639.526e+03 J/s of radiation, which is then inversly proportional to the distance from the source (or is it squared...I think that was for intensity...?). But...this is at distance 0, so it doesn't work. Could I perhaps somehow use the cross-sectional area of the nuclei?

I have a PDF document with algorithms for more accurately calculating radiation propagation, with the specific distance propagated and taking into account absorption by a medium etc., but first I would like to understand the basics. Primarily the inversly proportional thingy, as the energies aren't reference distance at 1 m (or any other reference distance), but at s=0.

From there on I should then be able to calculate the absorbed dose, and then the equivalent dose.
 
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Assuming the source is emitting in all directions - it isn't in a sheilded housing with a window - then it must be the square of the distance.
Think of concentric spheres around the source, the same number of particles must go through each sphere but the surface area is the square of the radius.
 
Cs-137 has two types of radiation, a 661 KeV photon and a 512 KeV (max energy) beta- (95%); and a 1.174 MeV (max energy) beta w/o photon(5%). The betas and the photon obey different absorption characteristics in tissue.
1 Rad = 100 ergs per gram of absorbed dose, and
1 erg = 10-7 joules
 
mgb_phys said:
Assuming the source is emitting in all directions - it isn't in a sheilded housing with a window - then it must be the square of the distance.
Think of concentric spheres around the source, the same number of particles must go through each sphere but the surface area is the square of the radius.

Does radiation behave similarly to a sound source? I.e. is the directivity coefficient the same?
 
tuoni said:
Does radiation behave similarly to a sound source? I.e. is the directivity coefficient the same?
Any source that emits equally in all directions is going to have an inverse square law - just from the pure geometry example given above.
 
mgb_phys said:
Any source that emits equally in all directions is going to have an inverse square law - just from the pure geometry example given above.

I'm talking about shielding/reflection, being a radiant source, would a radioactive source placed in the corner of three surfaces be stronger than a source placed in an open field?

Something similar to http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/directivity-coefficient-sound-d_67.html

Or does ionising radiation not reflect that well off common surfaces/materials?
 
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In general, radiation from radioactive sources (photons, betas, alphas, neutrons) does not reflect at all off of any surface, but there are exceptions. Neutron sources (PuBe or plutonium-beryllium) are reflected. Also, photon sources, like from Cs-137, do "reflect" some scattered Compton gamma rays, often referred to as backscattered x-rays. See
http://www.larrylawson.net/compton.htm
Another "backscatter" source could be positrons from beta+ decay, where the positrons annihilate with electrons and emit isotropic 511-KeV gammas.
 

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