Calculating Reflection Angle and Frequency for Moving Mirror?

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a moving mirror and the effects of its motion on the reflection angle and frequency of an incident photon. The context includes concepts from special relativity, particularly Lorentz transformations, and the Doppler effect.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the application of Lorentz transformations and their challenges. Questions arise about the relationship between the frequency of the photon in different frames and the consistency of angles in the mirror's frame. There is also exploration of momentum components in relation to angles and frequency changes.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing their thoughts on the application of Lorentz transformations and the implications for momentum and frequency. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of momentum components to derive relationships between angles and frequencies, though no consensus has been reached on the correctness of the approaches taken.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of special relativity and the Doppler effect, with some expressing uncertainty about the transformations and their implications. The original poster has indicated difficulties with the mathematical aspects, which may affect the clarity of the discussion.

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Homework Statement


A mirror is moving uniformly in a direction normal to its plane with velocity v=βc. Given the angle of incidence and frequency of an incident photon (θ_e,nu_e in the figure), calculate the reflection angle and the observed new frequency (θ_i,nu_i in the figure).

Also prove that:
sin(θ_e)/(1+βcos(θ_e)) = sin(θ_i)/(1-βcos(θ_i))

Homework Equations


It has been suggested in a couple of threads to use Lorentz transformations, but i seem to have problems dealing with them.


The Attempt at a Solution


As said, my attempts to use them have been an utter failure. In the mirror's system the angles should be the same, but i get stuck at this point.
 

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hi xayon! welcome to pf! :wink:
xayon said:
It has been suggested in a couple of threads to use Lorentz transformations, but i seem to have problems dealing with them.

yes, the Lorentz transformation should do it …

show us how far you've got, and where you're stuck :smile:
 
Does it help to think about the momenta in the X and Y directions?
 
Yes, I've thought of the momentum, h*nu. Is the frequency of the incident photon as measured in the mirror frame the same as the one from an external observer?
The other thing to take into account is that in the mirror frame the angles are the same isn't it? But again, by Doppler effect, the frequency of the photon would be different...
 
xayon said:
Yes, I've thought of the momentum, h*nu.
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Ok, but have you thought about the x and y components of momentum? The ratio of these should give the tan of the angle. The answer will be different in the two frames.
Is the frequency of the incident photon as measured in the mirror frame the same as the one from an external observer?
No.
The other thing to take into account is that in the mirror frame the angles are the same isn't it? But again, by Doppler effect, the frequency of the photon would be different...
In the mirror frame, there'll be no change in frequency.
 
Ok, having Lorentz transformations for the momentum:
[itex]E'=\gamma(E-\beta cp_{x})[/itex]
[itex]cp'_{x} =\gamma(cp_{x}-\beta E)[/itex]
[itex]cp'_y=cp_y[/itex]
[itex]cp'_z=cp_z[/itex]

Where the primed frame is the mirror's one.

As haruspex pointed, I have divided the x and y components of the momentum, getting two expressions for [itex]tan(\theta _{e})[/itex] proving the statement. From that i can get [itex]\theta_{i}[/itex] in terms of [itex]\theta _{e}[/itex] and v.

Finally getting [itex]\nu[/itex] from the 1st transformation.

Am I right?
 

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