Calculating Relative Velocities in Rivers

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The problem involves a swimmer attempting to cross a river while being affected by the current. The swimmer's speed in still water is given, along with the width of the river and the downstream displacement upon reaching the opposite bank. The goal is to determine the speed of the current.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss how to approach the problem given the displacements rather than velocities. Questions arise about how to calculate the time taken to cross the river and how to relate that to the current's speed.

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Some participants have suggested methods for calculating the time taken to cross the river based on the swimmer's speed and the width of the river. Others have explored using the Pythagorean theorem to find the resultant displacement and questioned the correct interpretation of the displacements involved.

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There is uncertainty regarding the correct use of vertical versus horizontal displacements in the calculations, and participants are clarifying the assumptions about the swimmer's path relative to the river's current.

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Homework Statement



A swimmer who can swim at a speed of 0.80m/s in still water heads directly across a river 86m wide. The swimmer lands at a position on the far bank 54m downstream from the starting point. Determine

a) the speed of the current

Homework Equations



Given :
speed of swimmer relative to water = 0.80 m/s



The Attempt at a Solution



I'm not really sure how to approach this, since I've been given displacements and not velocities. How do I approach a question like this?
 
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Hint: How long does it take the swimmer to get across the river?
 
Here it's what I would do:

-You know the width of the river is 86m (axis x) and you know the swimmer swims at 0.8m/s so you can get the time it takes him to cross the river. (I got 107,5s)

-Knowing that it takes him that amount of time and that he covers 54m in that direction, you can get the speed of the current by dividing the space by the time. (I got 0,502 m/s).
 
Sorry Doc Al, I started to write before you posted your message and I didn't see it.
 
Using the resulting displacement (Pythagorean theorem, square root of (86^2+54^2)=101.5m), I can find the time it takes for the swimmer to get across the river.

t= 101.5m/ (0,8m/s) = 126.9s.

Then ...the speed of the current can be found using this time, and the horizontal displacement?
so:
v current = 54m / 126.9s
v current = 0.43 m/s?

The answer I'm given at the back of the book is 0.5 m/s ...so I'm not sure !
 
Ohhhhh, I'm supposed to use the vertical displacement for the swimmers pathway.

Thank you both!
 
The swimmer is always swimming perpendicular to the river shore direction.

For example let's say the shore is the "axis y".
Displacement:
-axis x: 86m
-axis y: 54m
Velocity:
-axis x: 0,8m/s
-axis y: we have to get it

That distance you calculated is the distance he travels but that isn't what they ask you for.
 

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