Calculating Speed of a Block on a Spring: Friction vs. No Friction

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The discussion revolves around calculating the speed of a block attached to a spring as it passes through equilibrium, considering two scenarios: one with a frictionless surface and another with friction. The problem involves concepts from mechanics, specifically energy conservation and the effects of friction.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between potential energy stored in the spring and kinetic energy as the block moves through equilibrium. Questions arise regarding how to account for the work done against friction and its impact on energy conservation.

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Participants have engaged in a productive dialogue, with some suggesting methods to incorporate friction into the energy calculations. There is acknowledgment of the correct approach to relate energy lost to friction with the overall energy conservation principle, although no consensus on final values has been reached.

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Some participants note the assumption that this is an introductory course, which may limit the use of advanced mathematical techniques. The coefficient of friction and the specific parameters of the spring and block are also discussed as critical factors in the calculations.

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A 2.00 kg block is attached to a spring of force constant 560 N/m as in Figure. The block is pulled 5.95 cm to the right of equilibrium and released from rest.

(a) Find the speed of the block as it passes through equilibrium if the horizontal surface is frictionless.
(b) Find the speed of the block as it passes through equilibrium (for the first time) if the coefficient of friction between block and surface is 0.350.

Ee = 0.5kx^2
F = -kx
Ek = 0.5mv^2
Ff = umg

A)
So Ee = 0.5 (560 N/m) (0.0595 m)^2
= 0.99127

Ee gets tranferred into Ek

So 0.99127 = 0.5 mv^2
1.98254 = (2 kg) v^2
v = 0.9956

B)
Ff = umg
= (0.350)(2 kg)(9.8)
= 6.86

I don't kno how to relate the frictional force into energy. I know that the block should be slower than in part A) tho.
 

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brunie said:
I don't kno how to relate the frictional force into energy.
Consider the work that must be done against friction--that will tell you the amount of mechanical energy that is dissipated as "heat".
 
Assuming that this is an intro course and ordinary differential eqns are not to be used, which would lead to a soln w/o using energy,
frictional work=integral(ff)dx where ff is as you state. Multiplying that by 0.0595M should be the energy lost to friction. So you have the potential energy of the spring less the work done by friction equaling Ke as it passes thru equil.
 
ok so
Ek = Ee - (0.0595 m)(6.86 N)
Ek = 0.99127 - 0.40817
0.5 (2 kg) v^2 = 0.5831
v = 0.7636 m/s

would this be right?

thanks in advance to all those who helped
 
I haven't checked your arithmetic, but your method is exactly correct.
 

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