Calculating temperature at a distance

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The discussion focuses on measuring the "true" temperature of objects at varying distances using the MLX90614 infrared (IR) sensor. Participants clarify that the sensor does not rely on intensity, and distance does not factor into its readings in the expected manner. Instead, the size of the object's image diminishes with distance, leading to potential averaging with surrounding temperatures. To enhance measurement accuracy for distant objects, optical gain tools like binoculars or telescopes are recommended.

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  • Understanding of infrared thermometers and their operational principles
  • Familiarity with the MLX90614 IR sensor specifications
  • Basic knowledge of thermal radiation and its intensity-distance relationship
  • Concept of optical gain and its application in temperature measurement
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  • Research the operational principles of the MLX90614 IR sensor
  • Explore the effects of distance on temperature readings in infrared thermometry
  • Learn about optical gain techniques for improving temperature measurements
  • Investigate alternative infrared sensor models and their specifications
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This discussion is beneficial for computer scientists, engineers, and hobbyists working with infrared sensors, particularly those interested in accurate temperature measurement at varying distances.

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I'm a bit stuck here guys. I am but a humble computer scientist, so I'm hoping you guys can give me some insight. I have an IR sensor that's capable of detecting a target temperature (whatever it's pointed at) and the ambient temperature. I have objects (humans, hot mugs, etc.) sitting in front of it at different distances. I am trying to measure the "true" temperature of objects at different distances.

Homework Equations


Intensity is proportional to 1 / distance2
σ = 5.67 x 10-8

The Attempt at a Solution


I've tried to look for radiation/distance models online but haven't found much (maybe my google fu is failing me?) what I've done so far is found a curve fit radiation at different distances and used that equation to calculate that temperature, but it's a bit time consuming to do, I'm hoping there must be some sort of model that I missed.
 
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shibshib said:
I'm a bit stuck here guys. I am but a humble computer scientist, so I'm hoping you guys can give me some insight. I have an IR sensor that's capable of detecting a target temperature (whatever it's pointed at) and the ambient temperature. I have objects (humans, hot mugs, etc.) sitting in front of it at different distances. I am trying to measure the "true" temperature of objects at different distances.

Homework Equations


Intensity is proportional to 1 / distance2
σ = 5.67 x 10-8

The Attempt at a Solution


I've tried to look for radiation/distance models online but haven't found much (maybe my google fu is failing me?) what I've done so far is found a curve fit radiation at different distances and used that equation to calculate that temperature, but it's a bit time consuming to do, I'm hoping there must be some sort of model that I missed.

Welcome to the PF.

That sensor does not use intensity, so the distance doesn't come into play in that way.

Have a look at this wikipedia page to learn the basics of how infrared thermometers work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrared_thermometer

The issue with distance is that the image of the object that you want to measure gets smaller and smaller, and soon you will be averaging the temperature of the object with other objects around it (and the background temperature). To measure more distant objects well, you will need some optical gain (like binoculars or a telescope). :smile:
 
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berkeman said:
Welcome to the PF.

That sensor does not use intensity, so the distance doesn't come into play in that way.

Have a look at this wikipedia page to learn the basics of how infrared thermometers work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrared_thermometer

The issue with distance is that the image of the object that you want to measure gets smaller and smaller, and soon you will be averaging the temperature of the object with other objects around it (and the background temperature). To measure more distant objects well, you will need some optical gain (like binoculars or a telescope). :smile:
Thank you! I'm using an MLX90614 IR sensor, so what you're saying does make sense. I will look into that.
 

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