Calculating Tension and Net Force in Suspended Cable System

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The discussion focuses on calculating the tension in a wire supporting a 50 kg awning and a 15 kg sign, with the wire forming a 40-degree angle. The tension was calculated to be 992 N using torque equations. Participants debated the meaning of the net force from the wall, questioning whether it refers to the normal force or if tension is needed for the calculation. It was clarified that the net force on the system must equal zero, indicating that the forces exerted by the wall have both x and y components. Understanding these forces is essential for solving the problem accurately.
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Homework Statement


A 50.0 kg 6.00m awning is held up by a wire in the middle. A 15kg sign hangs at the end. Calculate the tension in the massless wire and the magnitude of the net force from the wall acting on the awning.
The cable forms a 40 degree angle with the awning at the bottom right corner.

Homework Equations


Sum or Torque

The Attempt at a Solution


Sum of Torque=0=(mg)(L)+(Mg)(L/2)-(T)(L/2)Sin40)
L's cancel
(mg)+(Mg/2)=Tsin40/2
(mg)+(Mg)/sin40=T
((15*9.81)+(50*9.81)/sin40)=T
T=992N
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I'm not sure what the question means by net force from the wall. Is it just the normal force of the wall or do I have to use the tension to find it?
 
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Ellen W. said:
(mg)+(Mg/2)=Tsin40/2
(mg)+(Mg)/sin40=T
Careful with treating the 2's.
I'm not sure what the question means by net force from the wall. Is it just the normal force of the wall or do I have to use the tension to find it?
What can you say about the net force on the system?
 
The net force would have to be zero. Does this mean that they are equal?
 
It means ∑Fx = 0 and ∑Fy = 0. The wall exerts a force on the awning that could have both and x and y components.
 
The book claims the answer is that all the magnitudes are the same because "the gravitational force on the penguin is the same". I'm having trouble understanding this. I thought the buoyant force was equal to the weight of the fluid displaced. Weight depends on mass which depends on density. Therefore, due to the differing densities the buoyant force will be different in each case? Is this incorrect?

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