Calculating the Force and Torque on a current loop

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The discussion revolves around calculating the force and torque on a current loop in a magnetic field, specifically examining the implications of the magnetic moment's orientation relative to the magnetic field.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate forces acting on the current loop and questions the stability of the system when the magnetic moment and magnetic field are 180 degrees apart. Other participants explore the implications of this configuration and inquire about the nature of instability and the direction of forces.

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Participants are actively engaging with the concepts of force and torque, with some providing references for further reading. There is an ongoing exploration of the conditions for stability and the calculations involved, but no consensus has been reached on the implications of the findings.

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Participants express difficulty in visualizing and calculating angles related to the problem, and there is mention of a single line in a textbook regarding unstable equilibrium, indicating potential gaps in understanding the underlying principles.

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Homework Statement
A rectangular coil of wire, 22.0 cm by 35.0 cm and carrying a current of 1.40 A, is oriented with the plane of its loop perpendicular to a uniform 1.50-T magnetic field, as shown in Fig.
(a) Calculate the net force and torque that the magnetic field exerts on the coil.
(b) The coil is rotated through a 30 Deg angle about the axis shown, with the left side coming out of the plane of the figure and the right side going into the plane. Calculate the net force and torque that the magnetic field now exerts on the coil.
Relevant Equations
F = IlBsin(Θ); Toque = Magnetic moment * Magnetic Field
##\vec \tau = \vec \mu \times \vec B -eq1##
## F = I \vec l \times \vec B -eq2 ##
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The forces i have indicated
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The magnetic moment is coming out of the page.
I am only attempting only the part (a) as of now
a. The force calculations are
F1 = 1.4*0.22*1.5 = 0.462 +X direction
F2 = 1.4*0.22*1.5 = -0.462 -X direction
F3 = 1.4*.35*1.5 = 0.735 +Y direction
F4 = 1.4*.35*1.5 = -0.735 -Y direction
The net force is 0.
b. The Torque as per eq1 cross product of magnetic moment and the magnetic field. Since they are 180 Deg apart, the Torque is 0. Since they are 180 Deg apart the system is unstable and the coil starts moving. Am I correct? Please advise.
 
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Physicslearner500039 said:
Since they are 180 Deg apart the system is unstable
Does that suffice to show instability? What if the forces were directed outwards from the loop?
 
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haruspex said:
Does that suffice to show instability? What if the forces were directed outwards from the loop?
There was only a one line in the textbook that if angle between the Magnetic moment and Magnetic field is 180, it is in an unstable equilibrium. I don't know much apart from that.

Regarding the Part b problem, I am finding extremely difficult to imagine and calculate the angles. Do you recommend any mathematical textbook chapter which has such kind of problems for me to solve and gain confidence.
 
Physicslearner500039 said:
if angle between the Magnetic moment and Magnetic field is 180, it is in an unstable equilibrium
Ah, ok. I thought you meant that the forces on opposite sides of the loop were 180 degrees out from each other, as in your diagram.
Physicslearner500039 said:
Regarding the Part b problem
See if the second part of http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/magmom.html helps.
 
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