Calculating the Lioness' Meal: v_{L}>v_{G}

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The discussion revolves around a problem in kinematics involving a lioness chasing a gazelle. The velocities of both animals are constant, with the lioness's speed greater than that of the gazelle. Participants are tasked with determining the conditions under which the lioness catches the gazelle, based on their initial positions and the gazelle's direction of movement.

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  • Participants explore different coordinate systems, such as polar coordinates, to describe the motion of the lioness and gazelle. There are attempts to set up equations of motion in both the gazelle's rest frame and the ground's rest frame. Some participants express uncertainty about the effectiveness of their chosen methods and seek clarification on the setup.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being explored. Some participants have provided equations of motion and transformations, while others have suggested specific cases to simplify the problem. There is no clear consensus yet, but participants are actively engaging with the problem and offering assistance to one another.

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Participants have noted the complexity of the equations involved and the challenge of eliminating variables such as time from their formulations. There is also a reference to a related thread that may provide additional insights.

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A hungry lioness runs after a gazelle. [tex]v_{L}>v_{G}[/tex] are the constant magnitudes of the velocities of the two animals. The lioness always directs it's velocity towards the gazelle, the latter always runs in a straight line. Calculate when will the lioness eat the gazelle, as a function of the initial positions of the two animals in the savannah (the horizontal xy plane) and of the direction of the gazelle's speed.
 
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Sorry, I can only solve a similar problem where a cat chases a mouse.

You have to help me out here:

SHOW ME YOUR HOMEWORK SO FAR!
 
...it's about 10 years I don't have to do homework, luckily...:smile:

Anyway...
...in the rest frame of the gazelle, or the mouse, or the thief...
...in plane polar coordinates [tex]r,\alpha[/tex]...
...I found...

[tex]\dot r=-v_L-v_G\cos\alpha[/tex]

[tex]r\dot\alpha=-v_G\sin\alpha[/tex]

Theese should be the equations of motion.
The first one can be replaced by

[tex]v_G\ddot\alpha\sin\alpha+v_L\dot\alpha^2=0[/tex]

But I can't go any further!
 
Now, I am unsure as to why polar coordinates would be your salvation here.

I suggest that you first try the following special case:

The direction the gazelle will run in is orthogonal to the line connecting the initial positions of the gazelle and lioness.

Try and set up a set up equations of motion in the ground's rest frame; let for example the gazelle run up along the y-axis.

I'll help you out if you get stuck.
 
In the rest frame it should be [tex](x_G,y_G)=(0,v_Gt)[/tex] and

[tex]\dot x=\frac{-vx}{[x^2+(v_Gt-y)^2]^{1/2}}[/tex]

[tex]\dot y=\frac{v(v_Gt-y)}{[x^2+(v_Gt-y)^2]^{1/2}}[/tex]

(I suppressed the index L for readability).
I thought this looked awful, that's why I used polar coordinates. But maybe you have got the clue here?

EDIT:

Oh yeah and you can write

[tex]\frac{\dot x}{x}=\frac{\dot y}{y-v_Gt}[/tex]

that looks better, but I still can't solve!
 
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Petr Mugver said:
Oh yeah and you can write

[tex]\frac{\dot x}{x}=\frac{\dot y}{y-v_Gt}[/tex]

that looks better, but I still can't solve!

1. This can be written as:
[tex]x\frac{\dot{y}}{\dot{x}}=(y-v_{G}t)(1)[/tex]

2. Now we have:
[tex]\frac{\dot{y}}{\dot{x}}=\frac{dy}{dx}(2)[/tex]

Now, we need to eliminate "t" from (1)!
Remember that:
[tex]\int_{0}^{t}\sqrt{\dot{x}^{2}+\dot{y}^{2}}dt=v_{L}t[/tex]
The integral, can, however, be rewritten, in terms of an arbitrary x as:
[tex]t=\frac{1}{v_{L}}\int_{x_{0}}^{x}\sqrt{1+(\frac{dy}{dx})^{2}}dx[/tex]
whereby we get:
[tex]\frac{dt}{dx}=\frac{\sqrt{1+(\frac{dy}{dx})^{2}}}{v_{L}}[/tex]

Now, let us differentiate (1) with respect to x:
[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}+x\frac{d^{2}y}{dx^{2}}=\frac{dy}{dx}-\frac{v_{G}}{v_{L}}\sqrt{1+(\frac{dy}{dx})^{2}}[/tex]
which is, at first a separable equation for the variable Y=dy/dx:
[tex]x\frac{dY}{dx}=-\frac{v_{G}}{v_{L}}\sqrt{1+Y^{2}}[/tex]
 

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