Calculating the Mass of Saturn Using Orbital Data

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The discussion revolves around calculating the mass of Saturn using the orbital data of its moon, Titan. Participants are examining the relationship between orbital period, radius, and gravitational force in the context of celestial mechanics.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to apply Kepler's laws and gravitational equations to derive the mass of Saturn. Questions are raised about the origin of the equations used and the definition of variables, particularly the gravitational constant.

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The discussion is active, with participants clarifying the equations and concepts involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct interpretation of variables and the setup of the equations. There is acknowledgment of a potential error in the calculation approach.

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Participants note a discrepancy between their calculated mass and the expected value, prompting questions about the assumptions made in their calculations. There is also a mention of a careless mistake regarding the division of the orbital radius.

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titan, a moon of saturn, has a 16 day orbital period and an orbital radius of 1,222,000 km. what is the mass of saturn?

my attempt:

t = 2*pi*r^(3/2)/sqrt(g*m)
t = 16 days = 1,382,400 s
r = 1,222,000/2 km = 611,000,000 m

1,382,400 = 2*pi*611,000,000^(3/2)/sqrt(6.67e-11*m) => m = 7.065e25 kg

the answer should be 5.6e26 kg, what am i doing wrong?
 
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Fysicsx said:
titan, a moon of saturn, has a 16 day orbital period and an orbital radius of 1,222,000 km. what is the mass of saturn?

my attempt:

t = 2*pi*r^(3/2)/sqrt(g*m)
t = 16 days = 1,382,400 s
r = 1,222,000/2 km = 611,000,000 m

1,382,400 = 2*pi*611,000,000^(3/2)/sqrt(6.67e-11*m) => m = 7.065e25 kg

the answer should be 5.6e26 kg, what am i doing wrong?
Hello Fysicsx. Welcome to PF !

Where does the following equation come from?

t = 2*pi*r(3/2)/√(g*m)

What is g in this equation?
 
hi sammys,

thanks for the warm welcome

f_g = g*m_1*m_2/r^2 (law of gravitation)
v = sqrt(g*m/r) (circular orbit)

v = 2*pi*r/t
t = 2*pi*r/v = 2*pi*r*sqrt(r/(g*m)) = 2*pi*r^(3/2)/sqrt(g*m) (circular orbit)

g is the gravitational constant 6.67e-11 m^3*kg^-1*s^-2
 
Fysicsx said:
hi sammys,

thanks for the warm welcome

f_g = g*m_1*m_2/r^2 (law of gravitation)
v = sqrt(g*m/r) (circular orbit)

v = 2*pi*r/t
t = 2*pi*r/v = 2*pi*r*sqrt(r/(g*m)) = 2*pi*r^(3/2)/sqrt(g*m) (circular orbit)

g is the gravitational constant 6.67e-11 m^3*kg^-1*s^-2
You divided r by 2.

Solve this for r, not v : v = sqrt(g*m/r)
 
oops that was careless lol. thanks for your help, sammys.
 

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