Calculating the Probability of a 5 Card Hand with Cards from Exactly 2 Suits

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The discussion revolves around calculating the probability of drawing a 5 card hand from a standard deck where the cards are from exactly 2 suits. Participants explore different combinatorial approaches to solve the problem.

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  • One participant outlines two cases for selecting cards from two suits, detailing the combinations for each case. Another participant suggests an alternative method that involves calculating combinations from a reduced set of cards and adjusting for cases where all cards come from one suit. There is also a mention of the broader context of poker beyond just mathematical calculations.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering different methods and confirming the correctness of each other's approaches. There is a sense of exploration with various interpretations of how to calculate the probability, but no explicit consensus has been reached.

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Some participants reiterate the original problem statement and equations, indicating that the discussion is grounded in specific combinatorial principles. There is an acknowledgment of multiple valid approaches to the problem, reflecting the complexity of the topic.

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Homework Statement


What is the probability of getting a 5 card hand where the 5 cards are from exactly 2 suits

Homework Equations


nCr = n!/(r!(n-r)!)

The Attempt at a Solution


There are two possible cases where the 5 cards are from 2 suits, case one is 4 are from one suite and 1 is from another and case two is that 3 are from one sweet and 2 are from another.

case one:
there are 4 ways to choose a suit and then 13C4 ways to choose 4 cards from that suit. Then there are 39 ways to choose the last card because we must pick from the remaining 3 suites

4(13C4)39

case two:
There are 4 ways to choose a suit and then 13C3 ways to pick 2 cards from it. Then there are 3 ways to pick another suit and 13C2 ways to pick 2 cards from it

4(13C3)3(13C2)

since the total number of 5 card hands is 52C5 the probability where the 5 are from 2 suits is

[4(13C4)39 + 4(13C3)3(13C2)]/52C5

is this correct?
 
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At face value, the method looks correct. However, I would do it slightly different and you should end up with the same result.

  1. Take the number of combinations where you draw five cards out of 26.
  2. Remove two times the number of combinations where you draw five cards out of 13. These are the ones where you only draw from one suite, given that you are drawing from two suites.
  3. Multiply this number by the number of ways of selecting two out of four suites.
  4. Divide by 52C5.
 
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I'll tell you one thing, there's more to poker than just math :P.
 
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toothpaste666 said:

Homework Statement


What is the probability of getting a 5 card hand where the 5 cards are from exactly 2 suits

Homework Equations


nCr = n!/(r!(n-r)!)

The Attempt at a Solution


There are two possible cases where the 5 cards are from 2 suits, case one is 4 are from one suite and 1 is from another and case two is that 3 are from one sweet and 2 are from another.

case one:
there are 4 ways to choose a suit and then 13C4 ways to choose 4 cards from that suit. Then there are 39 ways to choose the last card because we must pick from the remaining 3 suites

4(13C4)39

case two:
There are 4 ways to choose a suit and then 13C3 ways to pick 2 cards from it. Then there are 3 ways to pick another suit and 13C2 ways to pick 2 cards from it

4(13C3)3(13C2)

since the total number of 5 card hands is 52C5 the probability where the 5 are from 2 suits is

[4(13C4)39 + 4(13C3)3(13C2)]/52C5

is this correct?

Yes, it matches what I get.

I used another way:
(1) Pick a first card---any card.
(2) All four remaining cards must either match the first card or come from another suit, (with at least one from the other suit).
There are 3 ways to pick the other suit. The event we want chooses ##(i,j)##---meaning ##i## additional cards from the first suit and ##j## cards from the other suit, for ##i \geq 0, j \geq 1## and ##i+j = 4##. Calling ##p(i,j)## the probability of choice ##(i,j)##, we have
p(i,j) = \frac{{12 \choose i} {13 \choose j}}{{51 \choose 4}}
and
\text{Answer} = 3\,[p(0,4) + p(1,3) + p(2,2) + p(3,1)] = \frac{143}{980}
 
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Thank you guys. so many different ways to do it
 

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