Calculating the ripple factor from oscilloscope

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The discussion revolves around calculating the ripple factor from an oscilloscope reading in a rectifying and filtering circuit lab. The ripple factor is defined as the ratio of V_ac to V_dc, where V_ac is derived from the rms of half the peak-to-peak (Vpp) value of the ripple waveform. Participants suggest using Vpp for calculations, while clarifying that V_dc should represent the average value of the waveform. There is confusion about which oscilloscope readings to use, with suggestions to refer to textbooks for definitions and calculations. Ultimately, the conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding the specific definitions provided in course materials.
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Hello fellow physicists!

I have a lab about rectifying and filtering circuits and I was asked to calculated the ripple factor using an oscilloscope.

I managed to get the ripple waveform shown on the oscilloscope, but the thing is there are so many values to read off I have no idea which to use/take.

I know the ripple factor is given by the ratio of V_ac over V_dc

where V_ac is the rms of 1/2 the Vpp of the ripple waveform (am I correct here to get the Vpp and multiply this by 1/2*1/sqrt(3)) i.e. sqrt3 since this is a sawtooth waveform

and V_dc should be given by what? v_rms v_avg.. there are so many values to choose from the oscilloscope I do not know what to do!
 
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shyta said:
Hello fellow physicists!

I have a lab about rectifying and filtering circuits and I was asked to calculated the ripple factor using an oscilloscope.

I managed to get the ripple waveform shown on the oscilloscope, but the thing is there are so many values to read off I have no idea which to use/take.

I know the ripple factor is given by the ratio of V_ac over V_dc

where V_ac is the rms of 1/2 the Vpp of the ripple waveform (am I correct here to get the Vpp and multiply this by 1/2*1/sqrt(3)) i.e. sqrt3 since this is a sawtooth waveform

and V_dc should be given by what? v_rms v_avg.. there are so many values to choose from the oscilloscope I do not know what to do!

Can you post a screenshot of the oscilloscope waveform? Or maybe post a representative sketch?

I generally deal with Vpp in ripple calculations, but if your book says to use the RMS value for the "ripple factor", then go ahead and do that. I'm not sure what the Vrms is for a sawtooth wave, but you could find it online somewhere, or just calculate it with an integral.

As for the DC value, that will be the average value if the sawtooth amplitude were reduced to zero. Can you see what the average (mean) value of the sawtooth is?
 
Hi berkerman. Thanks for the reply. I could possibly go find a ripple diagram when i get back home.

For the Vac do you mean that you just take it as Vpp. Meaning the ripple factor is given by Vpp/Vavg?
 
shyta said:
Hi berkerman. Thanks for the reply. I could possibly go find a ripple diagram when i get back home.

For the Vac do you mean that you just take it as Vpp. Meaning the ripple factor is given by Vpp/Vavg?

I typically work with the value of the ripple in Vpp (and don't ratio the ripple to the Vavge value), and haven't used a "ripple factor", so I don't know the definition of that term. You should use whatever is defined in your textbook or lecture notes.
 
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