Calculating the Stretch of a Climber's Safety Rope: A Simple Harmonic Question

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The problem involves a climber who falls and the subsequent stretching of a safety rope modeled as a spring. The subject area includes concepts from mechanics, specifically energy conservation and spring dynamics.

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  • Participants discuss energy conservation principles, questioning the initial approach that only considers some forms of energy. There are attempts to relate forces and distances in the context of spring behavior.

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Participants are exploring various methods to analyze the problem, with some suggesting the need to incorporate all forms of energy. There is a recognition of the complexity of the situation, and different interpretations of the problem are being examined.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the initial conditions and the appropriateness of the simple harmonic motion (SHM) reference in the title. There is also a focus on the assumptions regarding forces and energy conversions in the scenario.

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An 86.0 kg climber is scaling the vertical wall of a mountain. His safety rope is made of nylon that, when stretched, behaves like a spring with a spring constant of 1.20 x 10^3 N/m. He accidentally slips and falls freely for 0.750 m before the rope runs out of slack. How much is the rope streched when it breaks his fall and momentarily brings him to rest?

My Approach (I know it's going to be wrong...i just don't know any other way to solve it!):

First: I used PE(initial) + KE(initial) = PE(final) + KE(final) --- to find the initial speed!

(9.8 m/s^2)(86 kg)(0m) + 1/2(86 kg)V(initial) = (86 kg)(9.8 m/s^2)(.750 m)

V(initial) = 14.7 m/s

Second: I used the initial velocity, 14.7 m/s, and found the acceleration using Vf^2 = Vi^2 = 2ay

I got a = 144.1 m/s^2

Third: I used the acceleration, 144.1 m/s^2, to find the Force

F=(86 kg)(144.1 m/s^2) = 12392N

Lastly: i found the x (distance it traveled after 0.750m) -- This is where i think i have my plugging messed up (you can even assume it the same on the work above)

F=kx
12392N = (1.20 x 10^3 N/m)x

x=10.4 m


^^answer doesn't correspond with book answer!
 
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cheechnchong said:
An 86.0 kg climber is scaling the vertical wall of a mountain. His safety rope is made of nylon that, when stretched, behaves like a spring with a spring constant of 1.20 x 10^3 N/m. He accidentally slips and falls freely for 0.750 m before the rope runs out of slack. How much is the rope streched when it breaks his fall and momentarily brings him to rest?

My Approach (I know it's going to be wrong...i just don't know any other way to solve it!):
Your approach is indeed wrong. You need to consider the conservation of all forms of energy, including gravitational potential, kinetic and elastic potential. Can you rewrite your initial equality including the above quantities?

Just as a side note, why the SHM title?
 
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Okay,

After he falls, he travels with F=ma N. Acceleration is g=10N/kg=10m/s^2. Therefore, the 86kg climber falls with a force of 860N.

Now, to make the rope stretch 1m, you need 1,200N. So, the distance the rope stretches can be expressed as a percentage. i.e.

860N/1200N = 0.716666666m = 0.72m

Right?
 
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Try equating the kinetic energy gained during the free-fall, to the potential energy in the rope when he comes to rest dangling on the end.
 

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