Calculating Third Cosmic Velocity: What Am I Missing?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the third cosmic velocity, which is the minimum speed required for an object to escape the gravitational influence of both the Earth and the Sun. Participants explore the application of conservation of energy in this context, questioning the values obtained and the assumptions made in the calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an equation for calculating the third cosmic velocity, arriving at a value of 13 km/s, while noting that other sources cite 16 km/s.
  • Another participant questions the use of the distance from the Sun, suggesting that the distance should be the Earth's distance from the Sun.
  • A participant confirms that the distance used is indeed correct but expresses uncertainty about the validity of their energy calculation, referencing differing expressions found in other sources.
  • Another participant points out that the velocities involved should be treated as vector sums, indicating that the angle between the velocities could affect the final calculation of the third cosmic velocity.

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Participants express differing views on the calculation method and the values obtained, indicating that there is no consensus on the correct approach or result. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct calculation of the third cosmic velocity.

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Participants highlight potential limitations in their calculations, including assumptions about the direction of velocities and the specific expressions used in different references. There is also mention of unresolved mathematical steps in the energy conservation approach.

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... is the minimal speed (relative to the Earth) which must be imparted on a body resting on the Earth's surface to escape the Solar (and Terrestrial) gravity. So, if one uses the conservation of energy (neglecting the Earth's rotation about its axis), one has

1/2 m (v_3 + v_o)^2 = G m (M_s / R_s + M_e / R_e), where

m - mass of the body
M_s/e, R_s/e - mass of the Sun (Earth) and distance from its center to the body
v_3 - third cosmic velocity
v_o - the speed at which the Earth orbits the Sun
G - gravitational constant

Now, this equation gives v3 = 13 km/s, while all the sources cite v3 = 16 km/s. Am I missing something?

Thanks
 
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Shouldn't your R_s be the distance of the Earth from the Sun?
 
Yes, R_s is the distance form the Sun to the Earth. Anyhow, all other refrences give completely different expression than mine (e.g. Irodov - problem circa 1.230). I think that my energy calculation is ok. Or am I missing something?
 
The sum v_o+v_3 should be a vector sum. Your answer is for the two velocities parallel.
There is a range of answers for v_3, depending on the angle between them.
 

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