Calculating Time Deviation Inside the Sun

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the calculation of time deviation inside the Sun compared to its surface, exploring the effects of gravitational time dilation. Participants consider various depths within the Sun and the mathematical implications of these calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how much slower time ticks inside the Sun compared to the surface and seeks a method for calculation.
  • Another participant notes that the rate of time movement depends on gravitational force, which varies from the surface to the center of the Sun.
  • A suggestion is made to use a specific mathematical approach referenced in a previous post, indicating that the calculations may be complex.
  • One participant speculates that the time deviation inside the Sun could be about 300,000 times larger than that inside the Earth, based on mass differences, but this is questioned by another participant.
  • A later reply provides a mathematical equation to calculate the ratio of time experienced at the center of the Sun compared to the surface, including specific constants and an online calculator for assistance.

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There is no consensus on the exact calculations or the relationship between mass difference and time dilation. Some participants propose different methods and interpretations, indicating ongoing debate and uncertainty.

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The discussion involves complex mathematical concepts and assumptions about gravitational effects, which may not be fully resolved in the exchanges.

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How much slower is time ticking inside the Sun, compared to the surface, and how can it be calculated?
 
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How far inside the sun? The rate at which time moves depends upon the gravitational force at the point and that varies from the value at the surface to 0 at the center.
 
Bjarne said:
The math shown at the link below is above my head, but i guess the time diviation inside the Sun must be about 300000 times larger inside as inside the Earth (the mass difference between the sun and the Earth) ?
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=1543402#post1543402
No, time dilation isn't proportional to mass difference in that way. Just use the following equation from George Jones' link, giving the ratio of a clock at the center to a clock at the surface:

[tex] <br /> \frac{d\tau_{centre}}{d\tau_{surf}}=\left( \frac{d\tau_{centre}}{dt}\right) \left( \frac{d\tau_{surface}}{dt}\right)^{-1} =\frac{\frac{3}{2}\sqrt{1-\frac{2GM}{c^{2}R}}-\frac{1}{2}}{\sqrt{1-\frac{2GM}{c^{2}R}-v^{2}}}<br /> [/tex]

With G=the gravitational constant (6.67428 *10^-11 m^3 kg^-1 s^-2), M=mass of the Sun (2 * 10^30 kg), R=radius of the sun (6.955 * 10^8 m), c=speed of light (299792458 m s^-1), and v set to zero (assuming someone at rest on the surface). There's an online calculator http://www.math.sc.edu/cgi-bin/sumcgi/calculator.pl if you need it.
 
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