Calculating Uncertainties in Volume and Density Measurements - Tips and Examples

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The discussion revolves around calculating uncertainties in volume and density measurements based on given dimensions and mass. The original poster shares specific measurements and calculations, expressing confusion about how to propagate uncertainties through multiplication and subtraction in their volume formula.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the volume of a washer using a specific formula and expresses uncertainty about how to handle the propagation of uncertainties when multiplying measurements. Some participants question the method used for uncertainty calculation and suggest using partial derivatives for a more systematic approach.

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Participants are exploring different methods for calculating uncertainties, with some providing guidance on using partial derivatives. The original poster indicates they found a resource that helped clarify their confusion, suggesting some progress in understanding the topic.

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The original poster mentions feeling confused about expressing their answers and handling uncertainties, indicating a potential gap in understanding the conventions for reporting measurements and uncertainties in calculations.

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These are my measurements:
D1 = 5.381 +/- 0.001 cm
D2 = 2.070 +/- 0.001 cm
t = 0.304 +/- 0.005 cm
m = 40.04 +/- 0.005 g

I then calculated the uncertainties of D1 and D2 squared:
D1^2 = 28.95 +/- 0.01 cm^2
D2^2 = 4.285 +/- 0.004 cm^2
D1^2 - D2^2 = 24.67 +/- 0.01 cm^2

Up until there, I'm pretty sure everything is correct.

Than I had to calculate the volume of the washer by using the equation:
(pi x (D1^2 - D2^2) x t)/4

And I basically got stuck there. I'm not sure how to calculate my uncertainties when multiplying by t and so on.

I tried it out by first adding the uncertainties of Dtotal and t (when multiplied) by using this equation:
Dtotal^2 x t +/- Dtotal^2 x t x (change in Dtotal/Dtotal + change in t/t)

That gave me a volume of 5.9 +/- 0.1 cm^3... which I then used to calculate a density of 6.8 +/- 0.1 g/cm^3.

Does this seem correct or what am I doing wrong? I also don't know how to express my answers while doing the calculations; as in, I have random numbers from subtracting my givens (while subtracting my uncertainties) that I don't end up using.

I'm really confused.
 
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How do you plus or minus something? Dtotal^2 x t +/- Dtotal^2?

Do you know how partial derivatives work? You want to use

\left( \sum_{i=1}^n \left( \frac{\partial f}{\partial x_i} \Delta x_i \right)^2 \right)^{1/2}

where f is the function you are evaluating, in this case the volume, the x_i's are each variable (d1, d2, ...), and the delta xi's are the uncertainties in each variable.
 
I'm confused how to even use that equation though!
 
I figured it out using this website:
http://www.rit.edu/~uphysics/uncertainties/Uncertaintiespart2.html#mixtures .

Thanks.
 
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Okay, as long as you got it. They have the total differential a little bit below, I was posting the magnitude of it (because an error vector is worthless). I like taking the magnitude of the total differential because it comes directly from vector calculus, and always works.
 

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