Errors/ Uncertainty in measurement problem

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The discussion revolves around calculating the percentage error in the measurement of surface tension using the capillary rise formula. The original poster presents their calculations based on measured values for height and diameter, noting a discrepancy between their result and a provided answer.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the calculation of percentage error using relative errors from measured quantities. Questions arise regarding the treatment of uncertainties when deriving new measurements from original ones, particularly when dividing by constants.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered corrections regarding the treatment of uncertainty in derived measurements, suggesting that the error should be scaled appropriately when calculating the radius from the diameter. There is ongoing exploration of the rules governing error propagation in measurements.

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Participants are discussing the implications of using different measuring instruments and the assumptions made about the uncertainties in the measurements taken from tables versus those measured directly. There is also mention of the need to consider uncertainties for all variables in the formula, including constants.

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Homework Statement


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The surface tension (T) is measured by capillary rise formula T = \frac {rh ρg}{2 cos\Theta} . The quantities of ρ, g and θ are taken from the table of constants while the height and diameter are measured as
h = (3.00 + 0.01)cm and
D = (0.250 ± 0.001)cm
Find the percentage error in T
My answer came out to be 1.1 % but doesn't coincide with the answer given (0.7 %).
Thanks for any help!

Homework Equations


According to the book I refer, the equation for error in product or quotient is -[/B]
\frac{\Delta Z} {Z}= \frac {\Delta A} {A} +\frac {\Delta B} {B}
where Δz/z, Δa/a and Δb/b are relative errors (letters in deltas present uncertainty in measurement)

The Attempt at a Solution


I have attempted the solution but have failed to acquire the given answer. Here's what I tried
Acc. to \frac{\Delta Z} {Z}= \frac {\Delta A} {A} +\frac {\Delta B} {B}
we ignore constants (ρ, Θ and g)
h = (3.00 + 0.01)cm
D = (0.250 ± 0.001)cm
so r = D/2 or r = (0.125 ± 0.001)cm
so
\frac{\Delta T} {T}= \frac {\Delta r} {r} +\frac {\Delta h} {h}
which gives,
\frac{\Delta T} {T} =\frac {0.001} {0.125} +\frac {0.01} {3.00}
or,
\frac{\Delta T} {T} =0.0080 + 0.0034
or,
\frac{\Delta T} {T} =0.0113
where
\frac{\Delta T} {T} is relative error. When we multiply that by 100, we get percent error
therefore percent error = 1.13 %
while the answer given is 0.7 %
please help
 
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psycho_physicist said:

Homework Statement


[/B]
The surface tension (T) is measured by capillary rise formula T = \frac {rh ρg}{2 cos\Theta} . The quantities of ρ, g and θ are taken from the table of constants while the height and diameter are measured as
h = (3.00 + 0.01)cm and
D = (0.250 ± 0.001)cm
Find the percentage error in T
My answer came out to be 1.1 % but doesn't coincide with the answer given (0.7 %).
Thanks for any help!

Homework Equations


According to the book I refer, the equation for error in product or quotient is -[/B]
\frac{\Delta Z} {Z}= \frac {\Delta A} {A} +\frac {\Delta B} {B}
where Δz/z, Δa/a and Δb/b are relative errors (letters in deltas present uncertainty in measurement)

The Attempt at a Solution


I have attempted the solution but have failed to acquire the given answer. Here's what I tried
Acc. to \frac{\Delta Z} {Z}= \frac {\Delta A} {A} +\frac {\Delta B} {B}
we ignore constants (ρ, Θ and g)
h = (3.00 + 0.01)cm
D = (0.250 ± 0.001)cm
so r = D/2 or r = (0.125 ± 0.001)cm
so
\frac{\Delta T} {T}= \frac {\Delta r} {r} +\frac {\Delta h} {h}
which gives,
\frac{\Delta T} {T} =\frac {0.001} {0.125} +\frac {0.01} {3.00}
or,
\frac{\Delta T} {T} =0.0080 + 0.0034
or,
\frac{\Delta T} {T} =0.0113
where
\frac{\Delta T} {T} is relative error. When we multiply that by 100, we get percent error
therefore percent error = 1.13 %
while the answer given is 0.7 %
please help
Check your uncertainty on r.
 
When you divided the diameter by two, the error in the resulting figure should not remain the same as the original. The percentage error of the result should remain the same. So, scale both by the same factor: 0.250/2 = 0.125; 0.001/2 = 0.0005.
 
gneill said:
When you divided the diameter by two, the error in the resulting figure should not remain the same as the original. The percentage error of the result should remain the same. So, scale both by the same factor: 0.250/2 = 0.125; 0.001/2 = 0.0005.
Thanks, that correction seems to nail it!
One Q - the instrument (say vernier calipers) was used to measure diameter and radius is just half of diameter; then why do we halve the error? Shouldn't the uncertainty remain same ?
 
psycho_physicist said:
Thanks, that correction seems to nail it!
One Q - the instrument (say vernier calipers) was used to measure diameter and radius is just half of diameter; then why do we halve the error? Shouldn't the uncertainty remain same ?
What's the rule when multiplying or dividing by a constant? Does the percent error change?
 
Read this file, https://www.wmo.int/pages/prog/gcos/documents/gruanmanuals/UK_NPL/mgpg11.pdf

You really should be taking the derivative of the original formula with respect to each of the variables and do the root square addition for them to get the uncertainty. Each of the variables in your equation has an uncertainty, even the ones pulled from a reference table and it needs to be included.
 
psycho_physicist said:
Thanks, that correction seems to nail it!
One Q - the instrument (say vernier calipers) was used to measure diameter and radius is just half of diameter; then why do we halve the error? Shouldn't the uncertainty remain same ?

The diameter lies between .250+.001 cm = 0.251 cm and .250 - .001 cm = 0.249 cm, so the radius lies between .251/2 = 0.1255 cm and 0.249/2 = 0.1254 cm. Those figures are .125 ± 0.0005 cm. The percentage errors in diameter and radius are exactly the same.
 

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