How Do You Calculate Uncertainty in the Volume of a Cookie?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the volume and uncertainty of a cookie modeled as a circular disk, with given measurements for diameter and thickness. Participants are also exploring the ratio of diameter to thickness and its uncertainty.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the method for calculating volume and uncertainty, with some questioning the interpretation of uncertainty and its calculation. There are attempts to clarify the correct values used in calculations, particularly regarding the thickness in the ratio.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing examination of the calculations presented, with some participants providing guidance on how to express uncertainty correctly. Multiple interpretations of the calculations are being explored, particularly in relation to the ratio of diameter to thickness.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of precision in measurements and the implications of rounding on the accuracy of results. There is a recognition that the exercise aims to understand uncertainty in measurements, which is a common practice in scientific calculations.

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Homework Statement


As you eat your way through a bag of chocolate chip cookies, you observe that each cookie is a circular disk with a diameter of 8.50 ± 0.02 cm and a thickness of 0.050 ± 0.005 cm. (a) Find the average volume of a cookie and the uncertainty in the volume. (b) Find the ratio of the diameter to the thickness and the uncertainty in this ratio.


Homework Equations


V=pi*r2*h
d=8.50 +/- 0.02 cm → r=4.25+-0.01 cm

The Attempt at a Solution


a.) average volume V=pi*r^2*h=pi*(4.25cm)2*0.050cm≈2.8cm3

volume of the smallest cookie V=pi*(4.24cm)2*0.045cm=2.54152...cm3
volume of the biggest cookie V=pi*(4.26cm)2*0.055cm=3.1356...cm3
uncertainty= (biggest - smallest)/2=0.30cm3
b.) ratio of the diameter to the thickness= 8.50cm/0.050cm=170
uncertainty=biggest ratio-smallest ratio=8.52cm/0.045cm-8.48cm/0.055cm=35
Please check my answers. I am not sure what is meant with that uncertainty thing.
 
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The idea is that an actual value of a given quantity must lie between the biggest and smallest values and the assumption is made that it will most likely be right in the middle of that range. Half the spread should be "to the left" and half should be "to the right" of the average value. So, divide the total range by two to yield the uncertainty. In other words for f ±Δf you want:
$$Δf = \frac{f_{big} - f_{small}}{2}$$

In part b, check the thickness value you've used for the "biggest" term.
 
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So now the volume could be expressed as V=2.8 +-0.30cm3 ?
 
lep11 said:
So now the volume could be expressed as V=2.8 +-0.30cm3 ?

V = 2.8 ± 0.3 cm3

Don't add a '0' past the digit you've rounded! That would imply another digit of accuracy, but you've already disposed of it by rounding.
 
gneill said:
In part b, check the thickness value you've used for the "biggest" term.
Could you please elaborate?
 
lep11 said:
Could you please elaborate?

You wrote:
b.) ratio of the diameter to the thickness= 8.50cm/0.050cm=170
uncertainty=biggest ratio-smallest ratio=8.52cm/0.45cm-8.48cm/0.055cm=3.569...
Shouldn't that be 0.045 cm?
 
gneill said:
You wrote:

Shouldn't that be 0.045 cm?
Yes it should! A typo. Thanks. Is b otherwise correct or should it be 35/2?
 
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lep11 said:
Yes it should! A typo. Thanks. Is b otherwise correct?

Not correct. Redo the calculation and remember what I said about dividing the result in half.
 
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I appreciate your help. However, I still don't know what was the whole exercise for. :smile:
 
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lep11 said:
I appreciate your help. However, I still don't know what was the whole exercise for. :smile:

The idea of uncertainty values is to establish a range over which the results of calculations may lie when they are derived from imperfect data. Every measurement has an error associated with it -- no measurement is ever perfectly accurate.

You will use uncertainty calculations a LOT in the sciences, particularly if you have to do labs and the associated lab reports.
 

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