Calculating Uncertainty in R Using Partial Derivatives

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The original poster is tasked with calculating the theoretical value of R using a complex equation involving trigonometric functions and square roots, and subsequently determining the uncertainty in R. The challenge arises from the need to apply uncertainty rules beyond basic multiplication and addition, specifically involving partial derivatives.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the necessity of using partial derivatives to address the complexity of the equation. There are suggestions to simplify the expression using trigonometric identities before differentiation. Questions about the use of software tools like Excel, Matlab, or Mathematica for differentiation are also raised.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the use of partial derivatives and suggested simplifying the equation. However, there is no explicit consensus on the best approach or method to proceed with the calculations, indicating an ongoing exploration of the topic.

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The original poster has indicated familiarity with basic uncertainty rules but lacks experience with differentials, which may impact their ability to engage with the problem effectively. There is also mention of using Excel for calculations, which may limit certain functionalities related to differentiation.

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I have a lab where I have to calculate the theoretical value of R using the following equation and then find the uncertainty in R.

R=(xCOS(y))*((-xSIN(y)-SQRT((xSIN(y))^2-2*-9.8*z))/-9.8)
*I know the values of x,y,z and their respective uncertainties.

The problem is that we have only learned basic uncertainty rules (i.e. for multiplication/division you add the %uncertainty, for addition/subtraction you add the absolute uncertainties). This is much more complicated since I have to deal with SIN/COS and square roots. I was searching around and it seems that I have to calculate the partial derivative or differentials. I am not familiar with differentials and I have no idea how to solve this problem. If anyone can offer any help whatsoever it would be greatly appreciated or anywhere where I can find this information.
 
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I'm using excel if that makes any difference whatsoever
 
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I was searching around and it seems that I have to calculate the partial derivative or differentials. I am not familiar with differentials and I have no idea how to solve this problem.

You are quite right about using partial derivatives. Don't be scared yet. I agree that you have a complicated expression to start with. I would suggest first simplifying it as much as possible (using trig identities). I assume you know basic differentiation? I really hope so...
When I say "simplify" I mean put it in a form that's less "scary" to differentiate. (derivatives of sin and cos can be found in any table of derivatives).

Example: If you have a function [tex]T=T(f,\lambda,...)[/tex] then the error in T is found by:
[tex](\delta T)^2 = (\frac{dT}{df})^2(\delta f)^2 + (\frac{dT}{d\lambda})^2(\delta \lambda)^2+(\frac{dT}{d...})^2(\delta ...)^2[/tex]
where [tex]\delta[/tex] is the error value(s).
 
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I'm using excel if that makes any difference whatsoever

I don't know if Excel can differentiate...Ever used Matlab or Mathematica?
 
To calculate the partial derivative [itex]\partial R/\partial x[/itex], differentiate R with respect to x, treating all the other variables as constants. Do likewise for the other partial derivatives.
 
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