Calculating Velocity and Time for a Falling Coin

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The discussion revolves around calculating the velocity and time for a coin falling from a height of 800 feet, using the equation of motion s(t) = Vit + 1/2 at^2 + So. Participants are tasked with finding average and instantaneous velocities, as well as the time it takes for the coin to hit the ground.

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  • Participants explore methods for calculating average velocity over an interval and instantaneous velocity at a specific time. There are attempts to differentiate the position function and integrate to find relationships between distance and time.

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Some participants have provided calculations for average and instantaneous velocities, while others question the validity of these methods and suggest that the average speed should be calculated as the change in distance over the change in time. There is ongoing clarification regarding the initial conditions and the setup of the problem.

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Participants note that the coin is dropped from rest, and there is some confusion about the definitions of average velocity versus average speed. The original poster's assumptions and the provided equations are being scrutinized for accuracy.

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Homework Statement


s(t)= Vit + 1/2 a t^2 + So

a) find the average velocity on the interval [1,3]
b) find the instantaneous velocity when t= 3s.
c) how long does it take the coin to hit the ground?
d) find the velocity when the coin hits the ground


Homework Equations


a= -32ft/(s^2)


The Attempt at a Solution


S(t)=Vi(0)t + 1/2 (-32ft/s^2)t^2 +So
S(t)= 0 -16t^2 + 800
v(t) = -32t

a) V(3)-V(1)/(3-1)
V(3) = -32(3)=-96
V(1) = -32(1)= -32

-96-(-32)/2 = -64ft/sec is my final answer

b) v(3)= -32(3)

C)coin hits ground at s(t)= 0 S(t)= -16t^2 + 800
0= =16t^2 +800
-800= -16t^2
sqr50= t^2
7.071 seconds is when the coin hits the ground
D) V(t) =-32t
V(7.071)= -32(7.071)
v= -226.272 ft/sec
 
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1) Yes the average velocity can be calculated by differentiating s(t)
∴ s(t^{'}) = -32t
The average velocity turns out to be (-96 + 32)/2 = -32

2) The instantaneous velocity when t=3 s is given by
Lim Δt→0 Δs/Δt = ds/dt
So -32t = -32 × 3 = -96

3) s(t^{'}) = -32t
∴ s(t) = \int -32t dt
= -16t^{2} + C

4) Velocity is zero as when t=0 ; -32t = -32 × 0 = 0
 
fifaking7 said:

Homework Statement


s(t)= Vit + 1/2 a t^2 + So
There seem to be other facts which you introduce later. From those I infer a coin is dropped from rest at time 0 and a height of 800ft.
a) V(3)-V(1)/(3-1)
No, that will give you the average of two specific speeds. That is not the same as the average speed over an interval. Average speed = change in distance / change in time.
Abhinav R's method and answer are wrong too.
 
How do I do it then if the methods are wrong?
 
fifaking7 said:

Homework Statement


s(t)= Vit + 1/2 a t^2 + So

a) find the average velocity on the interval [1,3]
b) find the instantaneous velocity when t= 3s.
c) how long does it take the coin to hit the ground?
d) find the velocity when the coin hits the ground

Homework Equations


a= -32ft/(s^2)

The Attempt at a Solution


S(t)=Vi(0)t + 1/2 (-32ft/s^2)t^2 +So
S(t)= 0 -16t^2 + 800
v(t) = -32t

a) V(3)-V(1)/(3-1)
V(3) = -32(3)=-96
V(1) = -32(1)= -32

-96-(-32)/2 = -64ft/sec is my final answer

b) v(3)= -32(3)

C)coin hits ground at s(t)= 0 S(t)= -16t^2 + 800
0= =16t^2 +800
-800= -16t^2
sqr50= t^2
7.071 seconds is when the coin hits the ground
D) V(t) =-32t
V(7.071)= -32(7.071)
v= -226.272 ft/sec
Please state the complete problem as it was given to you.
 
fifaking7 said:
How do I do it then if the methods are wrong?
As I said, Average speed = change in distance / change in time. Where was it at t=1? Where at t=3? How far did it travel between t=1 and t=3?
 

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