Calculating Velocity Using Work and Friction

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The problem involves calculating the final velocity of a skier after traversing a rough patch of snow, using the work-energy principle while avoiding Newton's laws. The skier's initial velocity and the coefficient of kinetic friction are provided, along with the length of the patch.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the application of the work-energy principle, focusing on the relationship between work done by friction and changes in kinetic energy. There is an attempt to derive the final velocity using the given parameters, but confusion arises regarding the signs in the equations.

Discussion Status

Some participants are actively questioning the correctness of the signs in the equations, leading to a clarification of the kinetic energy expressions. One participant indicates they have resolved their confusion and arrived at the correct answer, though the details of this resolution are not fully explored.

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The problem is constrained by the requirement to solve it using work rather than Newton's laws, which influences the approach taken by participants. There is also a noted difficulty with negative values arising in the calculations.

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Homework Statement


A skier moving at 5.00 m/s encounters a long, rough horizontal patch of snow having coefficient of kinetic friction 0.220 with her skis. the patch is 2.9 meters long.
what is her velocity after passing the patch?

problem must be solved by using work, avoid Newtons

Homework Equations


work = fs
work = [tex]K_{final} - K_{initial} =- \frac{1}{2}m v^{2}_{final}- \frac{1}{2}m v^{2}_{initial}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


let s be displacement (2.9m)

[tex]-\mu_{k}mg*s = - \frac{1}{2}m v^{2}_{final}- \frac{1}{2} m v^{2}_{initial}[/tex]

m is irrelevant, factor it out and cancel.

[tex] -\mu_{k}g*s = - \frac{1}{2} v^{2}_{final}- \frac{1}{2} v^{2}_{initial}[/tex]

solve for [tex]v_{final}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{-\mu_{k}gs+.5v^{2}_{initial}}{-.5} = v^{2}_{final}[/tex]

[tex] \sqrt{-2(-\mu_{k}gs+\frac{1}{2}v^{2}_{initial})} = v_{final}[/tex]

[tex] \sqrt{ -12.4952}[/tex]
cannot take sqrt of negative number.
i can't go beyond this part, is there a solution?
 
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[tex] \mu_{k}g*s = \frac{1}{2} v^{2}_{initial}- \frac{1}{2} v^{2}_{final}[/tex]

Where are you finding all the extra minus signs?
 
in which part
 
rsala said:
in which part

All over. Look at your first expression for K_(final)-K(initial). That's supposed to be the difference of two kinetic energies, not the negative of their sum.
 
o I've messed my formula up =/
i got correct answer now, thanks
 

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