Calculating Vessel Depressurization: What Factors Affect the Time Required?

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The discussion centers around calculating the mass flow rate, volumetric flow rate, and time required to depressurize a vessel containing compressed air. Participants explore the complexities involved in the calculations, considering factors such as pressure changes, gas characteristics, and orifice geometry.

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  • One participant notes the difficulty of the problem due to coupled properties like gas cooling and changing pressure, suggesting that accurate differential equations are necessary for a solution.
  • Another participant emphasizes the variability in results for a crack, indicating that answers could range from seconds to days, depending on specific conditions.
  • It is mentioned that calculating crack opening displacements and conductance based on geometry and fluid dynamics is essential for accurate results.
  • A reference to a paper highlights the impact of heat transfer and buoyancy-driven flow on the depressurization process, suggesting that advanced modeling tools may be required for realistic predictions.

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Participants generally agree on the complexity of the problem and the need for specific conditions to obtain accurate results. However, there is no consensus on a definitive method or outcome for calculating the depressurization time.

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The discussion reveals limitations in the assumptions made regarding the geometry of the orifice and the nature of the crack, as well as the dependence on fluid dynamics and thermodynamic principles that may not be fully resolved.

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Hi,

I want to know how I calculate the mass flow rate, volumetric flow rate and time required to depressurize a vessel, knowing the pressure inside the vessel, the output pressure, the orifice and the gas characteristics.

For example, imagine a vessel full of compressed air (let’s say 10 bar, 10 m3), for any reason the vessel fail, a known orifice is formed (model for a crack, 10 mm diameter), how long will take for the pressure inside to equalize the atmospheric pressure.

Thank you
 
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This problem is more dificult than you might think, due to several coupled properties. The gas is cooling, the pressure is changing, and it's likely the flow will transition from choked flow to free flow. If you describe the differential equations of the fluid flow accurately, you can probably solve it with a robust solver package. Otherwise, you'll have to go with some reasonable estimate based on empirically derived equations.

Here is a thread here on this exact subject which gives a few suggestions: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=341015
 
mdvalhe said:
Hi,

I want to know how I calculate the mass flow rate, volumetric flow rate and time required to depressurize a vessel, knowing the pressure inside the vessel, the output pressure, the orifice and the gas characteristics.

For example, imagine a vessel full of compressed air (let’s say 10 bar, 10 m3), for any reason the vessel fail, a known orifice is formed (model for a crack, 10 mm diameter), how long will take for the pressure inside to equalize the atmospheric pressure.

Thank you

After the crack propogates and the vessel explosively decompresses...

...about half a second.

Seriously, "a crack" involves many orders of magnitude of variance, with answers ranging from between a few seconds to a few days. You're going to have to be more specific, and I'd recommend focussing on known geometries, such as a simple hole, or a tube of length L and diameter D protruding through the vessel wall.
 
As stated above, getting results for a crack isn't easy to do. You would have to calculate the crack opening displacements, then calculate the conductance based on the geometry and fluid dynamics.

I looked at the abstract of the paper titled "Circulation in Blowdown Flows," and they point out some interesting facts. Heat transfer between the gas and container walls creates a radial temperature gradient in the vessel, and buoyancy driven flow recirculates the gas. You're talking about stress analysis, fracture mechanics, thermodynamics, and CFD in one problem. I think you would need to do some heavy duty modelling with ANSYS or NASTRAN to get realistic results.
 
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