Calculating water flow rate to achieve lower skin temperature

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The discussion revolves around calculating the water flow rate required to cool a stainless steel oven's outer shell from a skin temperature of 180°C to 50°C using a water-cooled square pipe system. The context includes thermal dynamics, heat transfer coefficients, and fluid mechanics, with participants exploring various aspects of the problem.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the need to calculate the heat released by the oven plate using the equation Q-Total = h A (Ts - Tamb), where h is the heat transfer coefficient, A is the surface area, Ts is the surface temperature, and Tamb is the ambient temperature.
  • Another participant suggests using a log mean temperature difference (LMTD) for more accurate calculations, although they provide a simplified approach using average temperature differences.
  • There is mention of using the Dittus Boelter correlation to determine the internal convection heat transfer coefficient, which depends on the Reynolds Number.
  • A participant asks for online resources to understand the natural circulation heat transfer coefficient for flat plates, indicating a need for foundational knowledge in heat transfer.
  • Links to external resources, such as the Nusselt number and Dittus Boelter correlation, are provided to assist in understanding the relevant concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a specific method or solution, and multiple approaches to the problem are discussed without resolution. The discussion remains exploratory, with varying levels of understanding and expertise among participants.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the heat transfer coefficients and the specific calculations required, indicating that assumptions about parameters like ambient temperature and flow velocity may affect the outcomes. The need for iterative solutions is also highlighted.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in thermal dynamics, heat transfer calculations, or those working on engineering projects involving cooling systems.

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Hi! I need some help with the following -

I have a square oven that has an outer shell of stainless steel (10mm thick) that has a skin temperature of 180degC. Outer shell size of each side is 800mm x 800mm. This has to be water cooled to bring down the skin temperature to 50degC. We need to provide a square stainless steel pipe (square coil size - 40mm length x 40mm breadth x 5 mm thick) of roughly 4000 mm overall length (per face, water cooling to be provided on all faces) through which water will pass. I need to calculate how much water / rate of flow in liters per minute to be passed to achieve desired skin temperature per face. We can consider temperature of water at inlet to be 25degC.

If any other details are required please let me know. Velocity of water (if required) can be considered as 1m/s.
 
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I am note sure I can totally visualize your arrangement. Do you have a simple sketch?
 
Sure, here you go -

http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/5831/coolingcoils.jpg


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I have a square oven that has an outer shell of stainless steel (10mm thick) that has a skin temperature of 180degC. Outer shell size of each side is 800mm x 800mm. This has to be water cooled to bring down the skin temperature to 50degC. We need to provide a square stainless steel pipe (square coil size - 50mm length x 50mm breadth x 5 mm thick) of roughly 4500 mm overall length (per face, water cooling to be provided on all faces) through which water will pass. I need to calculate how much water / rate of flow in liters per minute to be passed to achieve desired skin temperature per face. We can consider temperature of water at inlet to be 25degC.

If any other details are required please let me know. Velocity of water (if required) can be considered as 1m/s.
 
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OK, here is a simplified and approximate approach.

First, figure the amount of heat released by the hot oven plate without cooling.

Q-Total = h A (Ts - Tamb)

h = natural circulation heat transfer coefficient for flat plate. See any heat transfer text for this.

A = surface area = 800 mm X 800 mm
Ts = surface temperature = 180 degC
Tamb = temperature in room outside oven (maybe 30 C or so).

With Q-total, we can now "size" the cooling coils:

Q-total = U A (Tluid-avg - Ts)

Note: You could (and should) use a log mean temperature difference (LMTD). But for simplicity I just used an average temperature difference)

U = overall heat transfer coefficient. This will be controlled by the internal convection)

so,

Q-total = h A (T-fluid-avg - Ts)

You can figure h from an internal forced convection correlation such as the Dittus Boelter. They depend on the Reynolds Number: Re^n. This will let you figure out the flow rate.

A = area of pipe in contact with oven door.

T-fluid-avg = (Tin + Tout) / 2

And also an energy balance for the water in the pipe:

Q-total = mdot * cp * (Tin - Tout)

mdot = mass flow rate in pipe.
Of course, Tout should be less than 50 C.

You will have to iterate to solve all the equations at same time.

Sorry, I have to hurry to type this. Give it a try!
 
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Thanks edgepflow, this is a new topic for me so I'll have to start with the basics first.

However coming to the problem, when you say "natural circulation heat transfer coefficient for flat plate. See any heat transfer text for this. " - is there any source online where I can get this? If I get this I can follow through the problem and begin solving it.
 
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Thanks edgepflow, this is a new topic for me so I'll have to start with the basics first.

However coming to the problem, when you say "natural circulation heat transfer coefficient for flat plate. See any heat transfer text for this. " - is there any source online where I can get this? If I get this I can follow through the problem and begin solving it.
The Churchill and Chu correlation is often used for this. This link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nusselt_number

Has a form of it under the section

Empirical Correlations / Free convection / Free convection at a vertical wall.

This link also has the Dittus Boelter correlation I mentioned that you can use for the water inside the tube.
 
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