Calculating with tensors and simplifying

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The discussion revolves around a tensor defined by a specific equation involving components and symbols, where the original poster is tasked with calculating the square of the tensor using a defined operation. The subject area includes tensor calculus and properties of mathematical symbols such as the Kronecker delta and Levi-Civita symbol.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the square of a tensor and expresses uncertainty about the correct interpretation of the operation. Some participants question the simplification of terms and suggest using properties of the Kronecker delta and identities related to the Levi-Civita symbol. Others inquire about the specific expression obtained by the original poster.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging in the discussion, providing guidance on potential simplifications and clarifying the use of indices in tensor notation. There is an exploration of different approaches to the problem, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

Contextual Notes

There are mentions of the Einstein summation convention and its application, as well as the properties of anti-symmetry in the Levi-Civita symbol, which may influence the simplification process. The original poster has expressed confusion regarding the treatment of indices in their calculations.

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Homework Statement


I have a tensor which is given by [itex]t_{ij} = -3bx_i x_j + b \delta_{ij} x^2 + c \epsilon_{ijk} x_k[/itex]
And now I am asked to calculate [itex](t^2)_{ij} : = t_{ik} t_{kj}[/itex]

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At first I thought I had to calculate the square of the original tensor and set it equal to the product of the same tensors only with the indices i,j replaced by i, k and k,j.
Later I thought that because of the " : " sign in front of the "= " that I only have to calculate the product of the tensor with the replaced indices because t2 is defined by this. So with these different indices I got 9 different terms of which none have same indices so it is not possible to simplify it any further than just taking the product.
Also in the epsilon tensor there are three indices and I gave the last one a different name evertime so m and n giving me epsilonikm and epsilonkjn.
I hope it is clear what my question is.
 
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EsmeeDijk said:
So with these different indices I got 9 different terms of which none have same indices so it is not possible to simplify it any further than just taking the product
Could you show us the expression that you got? You might be able to simply it by using the properties of the Kronecker delta as well as certain identities related to the Levi-Civita symbol, such as [itex]\varepsilon_{ijk} \varepsilon^{imn} = \delta_{j}^{m} \delta_{k}^{n} - \delta_{j}^{n} \delta_{k}^{m}[/itex]
 
Fightfish said:
Could you show us the expression that you got? You might be able to simply it by using the properties of the Kronecker delta as well as certain identities related to the Levi-Civita symbol, such as [itex]\varepsilon_{ijk} \varepsilon^{imn} = \delta_{j}^{m} \delta_{k}^{n} - \delta_{j}^{n} \delta_{k}^{m}[/itex]

Yes of course, I got [itex]9b^2x_i x_j (x_k)^2 - 3b^2 x_i x_k x^2 \delta _{kj} - 3bc x_i x_k x_n \epsilon _{kjn} - 3b^2 x_k x_j x^2 \delta _{ik} + b^2 \delta _{ik} \delta _{kj} x^4 + bc x_n x^2 \delta _{ik} \epsilon _ {kjn} - 3bc x_k x_j x_m \epsilon _{ikm} + bc x_mx^2 \delta _{kj} \epsilon _{ikm} + c^2 x_m x_n \epsilon _{ikm} \epsilon _{kjn}[/itex]
We are not making a difference yet between whether the indices are on the top or bottom. Thanks!
 
EsmeeDijk said:
We are not making a difference yet between whether the indices are on the top or bottom. Thanks!
Strictly speaking, the Einstein summation convention only 'works' when one of the indices is up and one is down. But no worries of course - just convert all the up indices on the identities that you see to down indices. In your context, they work in the same way.

You can see that there are many Kronecker deltas [itex]\delta_{kj}[/itex] and whatnot lying around - use them to simplify your expressions. For instance, [itex]x_{i}x_{k}\delta_{kj} = x_{i}x_{j}[/itex]. Notice also that because you are using the summation convention, repeated index terms like [itex]x_{k}x_{k}[/itex] work out to be just [itex]x^{2}[/itex]. Another useful way to combine terms is to notice that dummy indices can be freely relabelled: for example, [itex]x_{k} \epsilon_{ijk}[/itex] is the same as [itex]x_{m} \epsilon_{ijm}[/itex].
 
Apart from what has been mentioned already, you should also note that the Levi-Civita symbol is anti-symmetric. What happens when you contract two indices from an anti-symmetric object with two indices from a symmetric object?
 

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