Calculating work done by E field/voltage

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The problem involves calculating the external work required to bring a charge of -5 microC from infinity to the center of a square formed by four point charges located at its corners. The charges are given as 0.6 microC, 2.2 microC, -3.6 microC, and 4.8 microC, with the square having a side length of 10 cm.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of potential energy at the center of the square by summing the contributions from each charge. There are attempts to clarify the method used for calculating work, with some participants suggesting a diagram might help visualize the problem.

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Some participants have provided guidance on recalculating the potential energy and work, while others have pointed out potential errors in the original calculations, particularly regarding the distance used in the calculations. There is an acknowledgment of differing answers, with one participant suggesting that erroneous book answers are possible.

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Participants note the importance of correctly identifying the distance from the center of the square to the charges, indicating that a misunderstanding of this distance may have contributed to discrepancies in the calculations.

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Homework Statement


Four point particles with charges .6 microC, 2.2 microC, -3.6microC, and 4.8 microC are placed at the corners of a square of side 10cm. what is the external work needed to bring a charge of -5 microC from infinity to the center of the square? (Assume the speed of the -5 microC charge is kept constant)


Homework Equations


V=kq/r(from infinity)
w = Q * v
Vtotal = V1 + v2...Vn


The Attempt at a Solution


9x10^9 * (-5 x 10^-12) / squareroot(.1^2 + .1^2) * (.6 + 2.2 - 3.6 + 4.8) = -1.28 J
answer in book: -2.55J
my answer is nearly a perfect factor of 2 away. What's going on here?
 
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I'm not too sure what you did in your calculations but..
First step is to do a diagram with the 4 charges each at a corner of the square. Then you have to find the potential energy at the center of the square (which is acquired by adding the V=kq/r for each charge). Now that you have the potential energy at the center of the square you can just apply w=qv to get the correct answer.
 
thaer_dude said:
I'm not too sure what you did in your calculations but..
First step is to do a diagram with the 4 charges each at a corner of the square. Then you have to find the potential energy at the center of the square (which is acquired by adding the V=kq/r for each charge). Now that you have the potential energy at the center of the square you can just apply w=qv to get the correct answer.

that's what i did, and there is no need for a diagram due to the simplicity of a cube


let me explain my calculations: w = k Qq/r

i factored the k out, i factored the r out, and the Q(the charge brought to the middle) is also factored out. I also factored out a x10^-6 (the -12 comes from that), so all that is left is the sum of the charges on the corner.
 
your method is fine, you must have done a calculation error somewhere. just redo it on a piece of paper.
 
thaer_dude said:
your method is fine, you must have done a calculation error somewhere. just redo it on a piece of paper.

I have! Could you do it yourself to confirm my answer? Erroneous book answers are not unheard of.
 
yeah, I had just done it and I got -2.55J as the answer right before I posted my reply. here:

W=(kQq)/r
get it into W=(k)*(Q)/(r)*(sum of qs) form
W=(9*10^9)*(-5microC)/(0.0707m) *(.6microC + 2.2microC - 3.6microC + 4.8microC)
W=-636396*(4microC)
W=-2.55J
 
I'm kind of sleepy so i couldn't pinpoint the problem earlier but I'm pretty sure you just used the wrong value of r, that's why I recommended to draw a diagram. its the middle of a square with 10 cm sides so if you do pythagoras you have to use .05m and not .1m like you did
 
thaer_dude said:
I'm kind of sleepy so i couldn't pinpoint the problem earlier but I'm pretty sure you just used the wrong value of r, that's why I recommended to draw a diagram. its the middle of a square with 10 cm sides so if you do pythagoras you have to use .05m and not .1m like you did

omg... of course. a factor of two was no coincidence! I forgot to divide my length by two!
 

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