Calculating Work Done by Friction in a Circular Track

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work done by friction on a block sliding in a vertical circular track. The block's mass is 0.0425 kg, and the normal forces at the bottom and top of the track are 4.00 N and 0.670 N, respectively. The initial calculations for radial acceleration and velocity squared are provided, leading to a work equation that yields a result of -0.33 J. However, the user realizes a mistake in calculating gravitational potential energy by incorrectly multiplying by the radius instead of the height. The correct answer is identified as -0.166 J, highlighting the importance of accurate calculations in physics problems.
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Calculating Work Done by Friction in a Circular Track (Answered)

Homework Statement


A small block with mass 0.0425kg slides in a vertical circle of radius 0.400m on the inside of a circular track. During one of the revolutions of the block, when the block is at the bottom of its path, the magnitude of the normal force exerted on the block by the track has magnitude 4.00N. In this same revolution, when the block reaches the top of its path, the magnitude of the normal force exerted on the block has magnitude 0.670N.

Homework Equations


W = K2 + U2 - K1 - U1
K=.5*m*v^2
U=mgh
F=ma
a=v^2 / r

The Attempt at a Solution


The easiest method to approach this problem appeared to be to compare the difference in energy between the two points and solve for W.
At the bottom of the circle:
N = mg + ma = m(g+a) <-- This is from the FBD I drew out, the normal force equates to gravity force + radial acceleration.
4 = .0425(9.81+a)
94.1=9.81+a
a=84.3 <-- Radial acceleration
84.3 = v^2 / .4
33.72 = v^2 <--since my later equation contains v^2 as a variable, I didn't feel I needed to take the square root.

At the top of the circle:
ma = N + mg --> N = ma - mg = m(a-g) <-- Again, FBD. Similar process to above for the work.
.67 = .0425(a-9.81)
15.76 = a-9.81
a = 25.57
v^2 = 25.57(.4)
v^2 = 10.228

Now plugging this into my Work equation (W = (.5mv^2 + mgh - .5mv^2))
W = .0425(.5(10.228) + (9.81*.8) - .5(33.72))
W = .0425(5.114 + 3.924 - 16.86)
W = -.33 J <-- Now this sign on this answer makes sense (frictional force would be negative), but the online homework spat it back as a wrong answer. Does anyone have any insights or hints towards the proper answer?

(The issue I had was a simple work error that I made on paper.)
 
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Treefolk said:
Now plugging this into my Work equation (W = (.5mv^2 + mgh - .5mv^2))
W = .0425(.5(10.228) + (9.81*.8) - .5(33.72))
W = .0425(5.114 + 3.924 - 16.86)
W = -.33 J <-- Now this sign on this answer makes sense (frictional force would be negative), but the online homework spat it back as a wrong answer. Does anyone have any insights or hints towards the proper answer?

Could this perhaps be the issue 9,81*0,8=7,848?
 
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That's exactly my issue. I was multiplying by the radius, not the height.
Much appreciated!

(For reference, the correct answer is -.166J)
 
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