Calculating Work Done in Baffling Thermodynamics Graph

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the work done by a gas as it transitions through various states represented on a pressure-volume (PV) graph. The graph indicates specific pressure and volume changes along a defined path (ABCA), with details on the scale of the graph provided.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to understand the graph's scale and how it relates to calculating work done. There are inquiries about the specific values of pressure and volume during transitions and how these affect the work calculation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on the relationship between pressure, volume, and work. Some guidance has been provided regarding the interpretation of the graph and the significance of the area under the curve, but further clarification is still requested by some participants.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion regarding the graph's scale and the specific calculations needed to determine work done. There is an acknowledgment that the problem requires careful interpretation of the graph rather than straightforward area calculations.

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Homework Statement


The pressure and volume of a gas are changed along the path ABCA in the graph. The vertical divisions on the graph represent 4.00 105 Pa, and the horizontal divisions represent 5.00 10-3 m3. Determine the work done (including algebraic sign) in each segment of the path.
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(a) A to B = 0
(b) B to C
(c) C to A


Homework Equations


Area of Triangle=.5lwh
(0th and 1st Laws of Thermodynamics)


The Attempt at a Solution


What exactly am I supposed to figure out, and how am I supposed to go about doing this? I'm thrown off by the graph and what to do with it? What is it saying about the scale? If someone can explain HOW to get the numbers that I need to make the calculations (and why to use them), I can probably work it out (I assume I use the area of a triangle in there somewhere, but perhaps I'm wrong).
 
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Don't worry about the area... try rather to start by looking at each edge. That's what the question is asking.

For example... in going from A to B, what are the values for volume and pressure and how do they change? Can you figure out anything about the work done, just for this simple transition?
 
jacksonpeeble said:
What exactly am I supposed to figure out, and how am I supposed to go about doing this?

You're supposed to be figuring out the work done. Work is P*delta-V, so the work done from A to B, for example, is the area under the graph from A to B.

What is it saying about the scale?

There's no scale on the PV diagrams. The question's telling you what each grid represents.
 
...I hate to do it, but I'm going to have to ask for additional clarification. This just isn't clicking. :]
 
OK, one step at a time. Do you know why dW=P*dV? This is analogous to dx=v*dt, so it follows that because the area under a velocity-time graph is displacement, the area under a pressure-volume graph is work.
 
Ok :-)
 

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