Calculating workdone due to friction and air resistance HELP

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating work done due to friction and air resistance in the context of a skier's motion. The problem involves determining potential energy loss, kinetic energy gain, and the forces acting against the skier's motion over a specified distance.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate work done against friction and air resistance but expresses difficulty in progressing from initial calculations of potential and kinetic energy. Some participants suggest using energy conservation principles to relate these quantities.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the relationship between potential energy, kinetic energy, and work done against friction. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of energy equations to find the unknowns, and there is acknowledgment of the complexity involved in calculating forces related to air resistance.

Contextual Notes

The original poster is uncertain about the proper approach to the problem and has expressed confusion regarding the calculations involved. There is a mention of needing to consider air drag, which adds complexity to the problem.

nikelberry
Messages
10
Reaction score
0
calculating workdone due to friction and air resistance...HELP!

Homework Statement


this is my 1st post and i don't really no if i should put the whole question, so i will...just to make sure i get some help!

A skier of mass 72kg, initially at rest, reached a speed of 32ms/1 at the bottom of the ski run length of 1500m that was 120m lower at the bottom than the top.
calculate:
the loss of potential energy
the gain of kinetic energy of the skier
the work done against fiction and air resistance
the average force opposing the motion of the skier

Its mainly the last 2 questions that I am having trouble with.

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution


i tried the 1st two questions and when i came to the next two i got stuck.
1st of all i tried Work done= force * distance moved
and but in order to get the force i then used the equation F=m*a, and in order to get 'a' then used SUVAT equation v2=u2+2as
and its around here in which i got stuck becasue of all the numbers!
Please help me!
thanks in advanced!
 
Physics news on Phys.org


Hi nikelberry, welcome to PF.The skier starts with a certain numbers of Joules at the top. When the skier gets to the bottom, some of these Joules got to kinetic energy and the rest goes to friction, a number you can figure out. That is the "work done against friction and air resistance" in question 3. Once you have that, use Work done = force*distance to find "force". You don't need F = ma.
 


but the thing is i need help on working out question 3 "work done against friction and air resistance" because i can't remember how to work this sort of question out! :(
 


As I said, the initial number of Joules at the top is split into two kinds of Joules at the bottom

Initial potential energy = Final Kinetic energy + Work done against friction

You know two of these quantities. Can you find the third?
 


Kuruman! i just worked it out!
Thanks a million for the help and a quick relpy!
 


start with energy - select reference point - the bottom

thus the energy at the top is M*G*H= 72 *G*120
the energy stays the same therefore

MGH=MV^2/2 + Work of Friction and drag
Work of Friction and drug = MGH - MV^2/2

I suppose the 4th task is simple to use W=F*X formula... otherwise you'll have to create function for air drag (since it was mention here) and then to integrate this function. And F(drag) is going to be complicated with 2 functions within - p(air densitity) and V(velocity) - that seem way to complicated comparing to the rest of your tasks
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
3K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 39 ·
2
Replies
39
Views
4K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
4K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
4K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
4K