Calculations with Weyl Spinor Indices in QFT

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating the invariance of a Lagrangian in quantum field theory (QFT), specifically focusing on the manipulation of Weyl spinor indices and gamma matrices. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the notation and the steps involved in the calculation, particularly in relation to the properties of spinors and the structure of the indices.

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  • Participants explore the notation used in the original poster's problem, questioning the meaning of the indices and their arrangement. There is a discussion about the implications of transposing the expression and whether it affects the scalar nature of the product. Some participants suggest that the repeated indices indicate a summation convention, while others seek clarification on the matrix multiplication in index notation.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the linear algebra aspects of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of the indices and the properties of scalar products, but there is no explicit consensus on the resolution of the original poster's confusion.

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The original poster indicates a lack of familiarity with spinors and their manipulation, which may be contributing to the difficulties in understanding the problem. There is also mention of the original poster having worked on other tasks before encountering this specific issue.

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Homework Statement


The task is to show the invariance of a given Lagrangian (http://www.fysast.uu.se/~leupold/qft-2011/tasks.pdf" ), but my problem is just in one step (which i got from Peskin & Schröder, page 70) which i can not reproduce due to my lack of knowledge regarding spinors.

The step i am talking about is 3.147 in the attached picture or written out:


Homework Equations



C \bar \psi \psi C = (-i \gamma^0 \gamma^2 \psi)^T (-i \bar \psi \gamma^0 \gamma^2)^T
= -\gamma^0_{ab}\gamma^2_{bc} \psi_c \bar \psi_d \gamma^0_{de}<br /> \gamma^2_{ea}
= \bar \psi_d \gamma^0_{de} \gamma^2_{ea} \gamma^0_{ab} \gamma^0_{bc} \psi_c
= -\bar \psi \gamma^2 \gamma^0 \gamma^0 \gamma^2 \psi
= \bar \psi \psi

The Attempt at a Solution


Well, i browsed through Wikipedia, Google and Friends, but did not find anything.
I know how to handle the gamma matrices (like their commutation relations or (\gamma^0)^2 = 1) .
I have just no clue what these indices mean, why they are sorted the way they are ("ab bc cd de" instead of e.g. "ab cd ef gh") and how \psi^T gets converted to \psi.

Thanks!
Regards,
Nico
 

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It's been years since I've done any QFT, and I don't have any books here with me right now, so what I write might be completely wrong.

First, consider some linear algebra. If A is a square matrix, then \vec{w} = A \vec{v} becomes

w_i = \sum_j A_{ij} v_j

in component form. It looks like the matrix multiplications have been written in component form with the summation symbols omitted, which is why there are repeated indices.

Next, is it true that for a scalar that

C \bar{\psi} \psi C = \left( C \bar{\psi} \psi C \right)^T ?

Can you use this to do the calculation more simply, taking into account that fermion fields anticommute?
 
George Jones said:
First, consider some linear algebra. If A is a square matrix, then \vec{w} = A \vec{v} becomes

w_i = \sum_j A_{ij} v_j

in component form. It looks like the matrix multiplications have been written in component form with the summation symbols omitted, which is why there are repeated indices.

Thanks for your answer!
At i thought it was the standard matrix multiplication, too. But as you wrote it, it already begins with an index. So its
w_i = \sum_j A_{ij} v_j instead of
w = \sum_j A_{ij} v_j, which just confuses me.

George Jones said:
Next, is it true that for a scalar that

C \bar{\psi} \psi C = \left( C \bar{\psi} \psi C \right)^T ?

Can you use this to do the calculation more simply, taking into account that fermion fields anticommute?

Yeah, i think so, too. Since its a scalar transposing it shouldn't change anything :P
But i haven't come really far doing that task. I did others first, but ended up at the same spot with the same problem eventually. The same thing even appeared a few times more now.
 
nicouh said:
At i thought it was the standard matrix multiplication, too. But as you wrote it, it already begins with an index.

If A and B are matrices, how is the product AB written using indices?
 
ah, i think i got it.
yeah, since (as i just mentioned in my previous post :P) the end product is a scalar, it makes sense to write it this way and it really is just a index notation for a vector-many matrices-vector product. a normal scalar product of 2 vectors would have the same features when looked at it written out in components.
im kind of taking a break right now, but when i start again and still get stuck, i might will ask you further questions :P
thanks!
 

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